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58j35bonanza

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11-19-2013 12:27 AM

Topic tags/keywords: green wood question

Has anyone tried placing a turning of a bowl that is green in denatured alcohol for a day or so?
I was told that if you did, the alcohol would force all the water out and then when you took your bowl out the alcohol would evaporate off quickly.

-- Chuck


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crank49

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#1 posted 11-19-2013 12:37 AM

I suppose you could say alcohol is a solvent for water.
They both can occupy the same space at the same time. Up to a point, anyway.
You can pour alcohol into a completely full glass of water and the glass will not overflow.

So, though I don’t actually know for sure what alcohol would do to the water in wood, I am very interested to find out.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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#2 posted 11-19-2013 12:43 AM

sounds like a solid process, the old timers would soak logs in water to dilute out most of the sap, seems the affect of denatured alcohol should be similar

sap is what you are after, not so much the water

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SirTonka

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#3 posted 11-19-2013 01:04 AM

just remembered another anecdote, old harp makers would soak logs in their bog for years, over a period of time the wood will absorb minerals and this enhances tonal qualities of the wood for harp construction.

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#4 posted 11-19-2013 01:17 AM

Why not drink some alcohol and while enjoying the view, let the wood do its thing naturally!

-- earthartandfoods.com

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#5 posted 11-19-2013 01:28 AM

I know wood turners use PEG (RV antifreeze) to store greenwood turnings. I’d post on http://www.aawforum.org/vbforum/index.php for experienced guesses about alcohol.

I want to know how you can add a glass of alcohol to a glass of water, and not have substantially more fluid in the container. I’ll test that later, but I’ll use ice and whisky.

-- Dan V. in Indy

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#6 posted 11-19-2013 01:35 AM

How about dry ice? It should suck all the moisture right out.

-- earthartandfoods.com

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Rick M

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#7 posted 11-19-2013 04:01 AM

Basically yes, the alcohol will dissolve into the water and speed evaporation. Based on what I read the longer you leave it in alcohol the faster it will ultimately dry. Some guys leave them in up to a week. You can also boil green wood to dry it faster.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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bondogaposis

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#8 posted 11-19-2013 05:02 AM

I’d be cautious about trying to speed up the drying process, it may cause it to crack. I would try it on something that you don’t care much about first. Keep us posted.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#9 posted 11-19-2013 11:38 AM

I am content to rough turn and set aside to dry woodturner. I would not use alcohol or boiling drying technique. JMHO, neither alcohol nor boiling worth my time and money, If interested look here.

http://www.woodturningonline.com/Turning/Turning_articles.php?catid=30

Say the same about PEG, with one exception. Turner & selling large turnings know and understand soaking entire piece timetable for species and thickness and limited finishing options. PEG not really a wipe on wipe off product. Poly only finish that will work after soaking wood in PEG.

You need clear & concise instruction these expensive products do not offer. No doubt, few turners like these products, devil is in the details. You are still rough turning and soaking in the product for a period of time. Neither product really offers a realistic time table, and finishing instruction.

Turners Choice Cedarcide
http://www.cedarcide.com/product/turners-choice-wood-stabilizer/

Pentacryl
http://www.preservation-solutions.com/index.php

-- Bill

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#10 posted 11-19-2013 02:43 PM

I know a guy who uses DNA to dry his pieces … he soaks them for several days, then puts them aside to dry for a couple of weeks. It does speed up the drying process, but it isn’t something I have ever been tempted to try.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Bill White

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#11 posted 11-19-2013 03:47 PM

Have you priced DNA lately? At these prices, I’m usin’ it with my shellac and darned little else.
Bill

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TheDane

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#12 posted 11-19-2013 06:32 PM

Right you are, Bill. The guy I mentioned in my earlier post buys it in 5-gallon cans at an auto body supply. I don’t know what he pays for it there, but it can’t be cheap.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Rick M

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#13 posted 11-19-2013 07:04 PM

Holy smokes, $16/gal at Lowes. Price has gone up since I last bought some.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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58j35bonanza

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#14 posted 11-20-2013 01:43 AM

I am not so much wanting the wood to dry out faster but wanting it to dry without cracking. When you power carve you don’t have a lot of wood shavings to pack a bowl in, like you do turning.

-- Chuck

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Rick M

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#15 posted 11-20-2013 02:41 AM

Again, based on 2nd hand experience because I’ve been looking into a lot lately; boiling is your best bet to prevent cracking but there is never a guarantee.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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