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ToddJB

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283 days ago

Just picked up a Stanley 604 on the bay. The seller kindly left out any mention of the crack in the tote, and the pics were pretty nondescript.

Anyways, the crack goes around 3/4 of the tote. What’s the likely hood this will bust the rest of the way?

And if I chose to fix it now would the best approach be to cut it clean with the band saw then glue?

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built


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bondogaposis

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#1 posted 283 days ago

I would break it the rest of the way then glue it back together. I would also construct some type clamping system, because the the ends of totes are at a angle to each other, some sort of wedge would be needed. You’ll want to maintain careful alignment during the clamping. Done carefully, I believe you could make the break nearly invisible.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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ToddJB

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#2 posted 283 days ago

Thanks Bondo, I’ve seen a few nifty tote clamps folks have made.

And to clarify you would recommend just breaking it? Not cutting? I would be afraid my break wouldn’t be clean.

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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WayneC

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#3 posted 283 days ago

I would try thin CA soaked into the crack and clamping it.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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ToddJB

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#4 posted 283 days ago

Wayne, I’m not familiar with CA is that an acronym?

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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WayneC

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#5 posted 283 days ago

For clamping I use the large wooden hand screw clamps.

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WayneC

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#6 posted 283 days ago

Thin Superglue (Cyanoacrylate).

http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2000346/1504/satellite-city-hot-stuff-instant-ca-glue-thin-2-ounces.aspx

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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stefang

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#7 posted 283 days ago

you could also glue some clamping ‘ears’ onto the tote. I definitely would not recut it. The natural break will be much less notable after gluing.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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LukieB

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#8 posted 283 days ago

I would agree with Bondo on breaking it all the way, cleaning up an re-gluing. But you could just try some thin CA glue. I’ve had pretty good luck doing that. I love this stuff

Also agree with him that you need to have a secure way to clamp it. Even what you think will work, will get squirrely on you once you put glue on there, it will slide around more than you think.

Edit: Man I type slow, 6 responses while I was typing, LOL

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Don W

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#9 posted 283 days ago

It will break if you don’t fix it. It may just come apart when you take it off.

Make sure the angle of the bolt is correct. You will find a lot of them bent. The bend was intentional to make up for inconsistent taping angles. Instead of bending the bolt, I usually fix the tote angle.

I show how here. http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com/?s=making+a+new+tote

look about 3/4 of the way down. I know the blog is about a new tote, but the concept is the same.

As for the angle, I use a wood clamp like this.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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ToddJB

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#10 posted 283 days ago

Okay. If I do not break and just go with the thin CA glue, is there a way to clean it first, or no need?

If I do break, is there a best practice for the cleanest break? Or do you just give it hell?

Don- I have taken it apart and it is still together.

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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WayneC

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#11 posted 283 days ago

If you do break it, I would use epoxy or gorilla glue. I was only proposing CA if your trying to fix it by gluing the crack. From my perspective, if you had CA, you could try it. If it breaks all the way then go for the full re-glue.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Don W

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#12 posted 283 days ago

If you can open the crack enough to get glue in it, its worth a shot. The worst that will happen is it will rebreak and you will need to reglue it.

if you finish the break and its a clean break and it looks clean, just a wipe with some mineral spirits will help any oil on the rosewood.

I doubt you’ll need anything beyond that based on the picture.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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ToddJB

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#13 posted 283 days ago

Perfect. I’ll get some CA glue (seems like that is something I will need anyways), and try to fix it, as is. If it fails then I’ll get a change to try it the other way.

Thanks for the tips!

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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TobyC

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#14 posted 283 days ago

I would use Titebond 111.

By the way, when Stanley made it they called it a “handle”.

-- Cigarettes and squirrels are completely harmless until you put one in your mouth and light it up.

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Deycart

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#15 posted 283 days ago

About the crack. Don’t be too quick to blame the seller for neglecting to leave it out of the description. The thing has to be anywhere from 120 to 60 something years old and it looks like most of the finish is rubbed off. The temperature change and humidity change would be enough to cause a crack like that. I buy and restore a lot of tools(long car trips) and by the time I get home and have them wait in the que to get fixed up they crack.

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