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RussellAP

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11-15-2013 06:08 PM

One day I was waiting on my wife Cheryl to get her prescriptions at Walgreen’s when a woman approached my car and wanted a card. I have signs on my door and it’s a very nice car so it represents me well.

She called a month later and is one of the residents of several lake communities in my area, we have tons of lake communities. She wanted an oak face vanity, 36”x20”x35”. Her granite top and sink bowl will bring it up to a total height of 41”. And YES, I did try to get her down to at least 38-39 inches high, but she wont hear of it.

Anyway, to me it’s only 35” high, so she likely won’t repent till the plumber is finished.

This is a first for me.
She only wants doors, not drawers. I’m still working on the face frame, but then I’ll cut my stiles and rails and I have a bit for the router so I can float the panels. She wants flat panels so I got some 1/4 oak ply for them.
Looks pretty straight forward.

I only wish I had invested in some mortising equipment. Have to butt them together or I might do 45’s

All framing is cedar for moisture protection. Don’t think it’ll ever come into play, but I think cedar resists moisture better than pine.

anyway, tips, tricks, advice is welcome.

here’s how it sits at this moment.

This is the back.

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#1 posted 11-15-2013 10:29 PM

I don’t see any toe kick space.

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#2 posted 11-15-2013 10:42 PM

Is the plumbing goint to the wall or through the bottom to the floor?

If it is to the floor – leave the bottom loose. It will be way easier to put the unit in place, then mark the locations for the bottom paney to cut holes for the drain and hot and cold water supplies, without being on your hands and knees with your head stuck in the cabinet…. (ask my why I know!)

A nice touch – if it is a good customer to impress (if there is room) woudl be to have a sliding tray, such that she can pull the shelf out like a drawer and get at stuff easily without straining.
She will appreciate it.

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#3 posted 11-15-2013 10:56 PM

MrRon, the whole front is recessed. Shouldnt be a problem.

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#4 posted 11-15-2013 10:58 PM

DrDirt, the plumbing is in the back wall. I’m not planning on putting a back on this because of the plumbing. I may put two 12” plywood strips on either end, but the plumbing is a good 12” square void. Best to have lots of open space in case anything needs to be worked on plumbingwise.

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#5 posted 11-15-2013 11:32 PM

I’m afraid I agree with Ron ,you still have a face frame and doors to be installed ,by then your recess will be all but eliminated and even with the recess I don’t think you have enough clearance .Normally I make my toe kicks 3 1/2” high and minimum 3” deep. I’m a little confused abour the height is it only 35” tall and she wants 41” ? If she want’s it taller then you can just make a toe kick and place the vanity on top.
Since this is a first for you I would suggest http://www.ebay.com/itm/Building-Traditional-Kitchen-Cabinets-by-Jim-Tolpin-/151164367820?category=0 or JimTolpins newer book on cabinets ,it will give you a lot simpler easier way to build cabinets.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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RussellAP

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#6 posted 11-16-2013 05:47 PM

Okay, I cut as much kick space as I could, just under two inches. Most feet will fit nicely.

All that is left to do is the doors and now is when I really miss not having a mortising tool. I may look for a used one.

If you have any leads on one let me know.

Here is a picture of the kick space. and face frame.

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#7 posted 11-16-2013 05:51 PM

Looking pretty nice there Russ

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#8 posted 11-16-2013 05:56 PM

It looks like you did a nice job on it. She should be pleased.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#9 posted 11-16-2013 05:56 PM

Jim, I sure hope my client loves it. I had to make wide outside frames because she has some hinges that are kind of large and fit on the outside of the cabinet. Her kitchen is all done up the same way.

The door panels are flat and recessed about 3/8” and just slightly rounded on the corners. A shallow 1/4 roundover should do it. \

I plan to cut my panel grooves with a 1/4 straight bit, so I don’t have to have the slot visible on the ends.

Thinking about mitering the door frames seeing I dont have a mortise machine. I guess I could do it the old fashioned way, but I’d rather not.

Hey, if you like it, it must be good.

I feel better now.
:)

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RussellAP

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#10 posted 11-16-2013 05:59 PM

Hey, Jim. What would you charge for this if you made it. 36”x20”x35” ? I quoted 750$. She took it kind of fast so maybe i’m too low.

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#11 posted 11-16-2013 06:04 PM

Hey Russ
It’s a very nice first vanity ,I’m sure it’s better than my first one. You might think about half lap or saddle joints joinery for the doors, I used cope and stick for years and they held up very well,but that takes a special router bit set and a router table.
I still recommend Jim Tolpin’s books on cabinetry for anyone who has not done cabinets before.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#12 posted 11-16-2013 06:11 PM

750!!! JESUS, send some of your clients my way! That goes for 150 in Columbia, and I am damn glad to get it. I would do those all day long for have of that.

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#13 posted 11-16-2013 06:12 PM

Wow $750 is a good price ,I would have charged some where between $325-$425 depending on the door type. unless they want it installed. Hold on to that customer :)

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#14 posted 11-16-2013 06:18 PM

Well, I do have to haul it over there and install it. Just hoping I don’t have to remove her floor trim, it’s that 6” stuff with a bead of quarterround. I think I may just have to do that now that I think of it. It’s only a half inch under the total width for the wall. I better take a saw to resize it.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#15 posted 11-16-2013 06:19 PM

Tell you what Russell, the next time you get something like that call me and I will make it for half of what you are getting and deliver it to your door. You make 400 (all profit) and you don’t have to lift a finger. I will mortise and tenon, what ever you want. Wow 750, I almost fell over.

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