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electricalD

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156 days ago

Hey all,

I am looking for the Micro-tangent angle set, manufactured by Ed Bennett of T S Aligner.
I did manage to track down the TS aligner Jr and now looking for this piece. Anyone have it looking to sell?

Have a look at this link and it is at the very top of the page.
http://www.ts-aligner.com/accessories.htm

Regards,
Dan

-- If there were no God, there would be no atheists, G. K. Chesterton


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#1 posted 138 days ago

Can I ask why you need this precision in woodworking as I think it’s a little overkill?

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#2 posted 138 days ago

I want this because I have the TS aligner and was looking for these gauge blocks to go with it. It’s the accuracy and precision that I chase. I just bought a new saw stop and soon going to tune it up.

Dan

-- If there were no God, there would be no atheists, G. K. Chesterton

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#3 posted 138 days ago

Personally I think it’s overkill but whatever floats your boat!

I made my own with a dial indicator and some blocks of wood and I dare say it is as good as a TS aligned set up. After all, your going to cut wood and that material can change more and faster than you believe.

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#4 posted 138 days ago

I’ll refer you to Ed’s comment that I took from his web site, under the section ’’Genuine Testimonies’’, where Ed replies to this comment written about his TS Aligner product:

COMMENT:
“Been doing professional set-ups of machines long before that gizmo was marketed to homeowners. In my opinion you are throwing your money away. You can buy an indicator more than suitable for the application from www.use-enco.com for $15. You could scew it to a block of wood for the application you have in mind. You might want to pick up a pair of 6” dial calipers while you are at it. Nice for measuring shims and and such…usually about $12. One can also learn to read the cut from a piece of MDF. One place I worked had a Giben beam panel saw and that was the only way to tell if the saw was set right. Both pieces will have heel and toe lines from blade for correct setting. So you don’t even need that expensive TS aligner after all.”

Ed:
Well, if all you want to do is blade and fence alignment on a table saw, then this is good advice. I call this the “dial indicator on a stick” solution and have recommended it countless times. Here’s an article comparing the “dial indicator on a stick” to a TS-Aligner Jr. Lite. I do take issue when he says it is “more than suitable for the application.” That $15 Enco dial indicator isn’t going to come with anything. All by itself, it’s not suitable for aligning woodworking machinery. You will need to devise all your own fixturing and mechanisms to adapt it for use on woodworking machines. You will need to figure out all your own methods and techniques for alignment because no instructions will be included. Essentially, you will need to replicate all the work I have done over the last 16+ years. The TS-Aligner products are nothing more than mechanisms and fixturing that adapt the dial indicator for use in making precise adjustments to woodworking machinery. Instructions (and video demonstrations) are included!

I have no objection to his final sentence. People have been aligning machinery since before TS-Aligner was invented. In fact, people have been doing fine woodworking since before the carbon steel was invented. So, not only is there no need for a TS-Aligner, but there’s also no need for the machinery that it is intended to align. “Expensive” tools like table saws, jointers, band saws, miter saws, etc. are not needed for even the finest woodworking. Just like a TS-Aligner, these machines just save a lot of time and effort.’‘

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So basically it comes down to what you accept as ok for accuracy and what I do. But that’s me, I work in an industry where alignment in motors is done with the latest and greatest of technology.

Dan

-- If there were no God, there would be no atheists, G. K. Chesterton

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#5 posted 138 days ago

electricalD I worked with laser interferometry for a number of years before I retired and these systems are compensated for temperature and humidity and are the state of the art when it comes to precision measurement.

Laser interferometers are one reason electronics have been able to shrink to the size we have today and why LCD monitors/TVs are so reasonable today as the accuracy of a Laser interferometer is in the sub nano-meter range!

Unless you have and environmentally controlled shop accuracy beyond the “stick and dial indicator” is not required.

Again, it’s your money, and “whatever floats your boat” since you must be happy with it!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#6 posted 138 days ago

Once again,
I’ll refer you to Ed’s comments.Dan

-- If there were no God, there would be no atheists, G. K. Chesterton

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#7 posted 138 days ago

I figure one of the arguments against trying to achieve this kind of precision is the medium we’re working with. With metal, for instance, having a high degree of precision leads to very precise pieces. But with wood, the very act of cutting it with a table saw often results in unleashing internal forces that slightly (or not so slightly) make it deform in one way or the other. That is, one might not have any better results with a saw aligned to a more precise setting.

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#8 posted 138 days ago

+1 CharlesA that’s what I have been trying to convey!

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#9 posted 137 days ago

Gentlemen,

You are not getting my point. The bottom line here has nothing to do with lasers or metalworking or temperature or humidity. It is me looking for an angle gauge that ED Bennett made. I ran a thread a few years back looking for the TS Aligner many times and finally a gentleman from Illinois came forth and I bought it from him. Now I am trying the same to see if someone had this and are willing to sell it.
I do not care about anything else and if I cannot find this then I will get this from a machine shop. You are wasting your breath on this and that issue. If you have this then I’m interested, if you don’t then that is all I need to know. Telling me that is a overkill is just wasting my time!

Dan

-- If there were no God, there would be no atheists, G. K. Chesterton

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#10 posted 137 days ago

Dan, I guess I misunderstood your quest and apologize for any issues I may have escalated!

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#11 posted 137 days ago

Mr. Old Novice,

It’s no problem at all. Take care.

Dan

-- If there were no God, there would be no atheists, G. K. Chesterton

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#12 posted 137 days ago

Are Angle Blocks the same thing you are looking for?
Lee Valley sells them:
http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=32524&cat=1,43513,51657&ap=1

-- Ken from Ontario

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#13 posted 137 days ago

Hi Ken,
I have looked at the LV ones but they do not have a 45 degree by itself. I want this so as to set up the TS aligner as I bought a new Starret dial gauge for it. I doubt if I will find anything here in NL. What I am trying to do is see what machine shops are up in your neck of the woods. I know Fowler does make one. There are a few companies making these sets with the micro angle tangent bar but they are cheap. I’m not interested in those. I have seen one Fowler gauge block that would fit the bill but I would love to get my hands on Ed’s product. Can you recommend some tool machine facility in Ont?

Dan

-- If there were no God, there would be no atheists, G. K. Chesterton

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distrbd

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#14 posted 136 days ago

The only one I can think of is G & H machine tool:
http://www.ghmachinetool.com/Home.page
Or maybe BC saw,
http://www.bcsaw.com/services/profiling-services/

-- Ken from Ontario

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#15 posted 132 days ago

Hi Dan ,There’s a seller in the city of Peterborough,Ontario who’s selling all his mouldmakers tools,he seems to have the 45° set you are looking for,may be he can ship it to you:

http://peterborough.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-tools-other-Retired-Mouldmaker-selling-tools-W0QQAdIdZ550493463

-- Ken from Ontario

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