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289 days ago

I’m scratching my head a little here. I have a six door closet to fit into an alcove with floor to ceiling doors, after carefully measuring the opening with a pinch rod and level I know that over a span of 8’ 6” the floor drops to the right by 1/2”, the ceiling to the right is 1 1/4 higher and the wall on the right is not plumb – the alcove is 1/2” wider at the top than the bottom.
Now I’d normally make everything square and put filler pieces in, but to complicate matters further there’s coving on the ceiling which the doors have to stop below to allow door opening and if I keep it square the doors on the right will be 1 1/4 below the bottom of the coving on the right but level with the coving on the left.

This is what it would look like if I keep it all square (to scale)

Alternatively, I could make the doors fit the shape, in which case it would look like this

I’m interested in your opinions as to which way to go with this. The doors are just slab style – painted oak veneer to let the wood grain texture show through, the doors will be painted the same colour as the walls.

Thanks in advance


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#1 posted 289 days ago

I would personally go with option 2. I think that it hurts the eye less.

-- Thor and Odin are still the greatest of Gods.

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#2 posted 289 days ago

Renners,

+1 vote for option #2.

...most of us are so distracted with our reflection in a mirror, this could serve a dual purpose.

Install an inexpensive framed mirror, generally around 14” x 60”, on each door panel and the ‘eye’ will be drawn from the slight differences in the height of each door, and as an added bonus you’ll have a nice set of dressing mirrors.
Paint the mirror frames in an accent color or colour depending on your point of origin. ;-)

Best Regards. – Grandpa Len.

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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#3 posted 289 days ago

Option 2 as well, trim to fit.
How do they operate? Track/hinges?

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#4 posted 289 days ago

They’re hinged Kevin. It’s looking like option 2 is a winner. This is going into a fairly new house in an exclusive area of Dublin, I don’t think I was ever in such a shoddily constructed building.

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#5 posted 289 days ago

The modern era of construction seems to depend alot on ‘joint compound’, ‘spackling’ and ‘caulking’ to compensate for ‘accuracy’ and ‘craftsmanship’, much to our chagrin.

...therfore, ‘If we want it done right, or at least to our liking, we do it ourselves’.

Best Regards. – Grandpa Len.

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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#6 posted 289 days ago

I won’t argue with you Grandpa, the dry lining technique used here was “Dob and dash”, which is to say, dob a few blobs of adhesive on the back of a plasterboard, press it up against the wall, dash onto the next one. You evidently don’t even need a spirit level.

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#7 posted 289 days ago

Just like here, low paid laborers throw the houses together? Unbelievable how shabby these high end homes I go into are built.

So, your doors are hinged,
I’m sure you have it figured, I’m just curious and following along.
Are the doors inset into the Alcove or do they overlay the front?
I’m also wondering if the base board is going to hinder the opening of the doors down at the bottom.
Wondering how your going to attach to the crooked (right) side of the Alcove?
I’m having a hard time figuring, if you open the doors do they angle up as you open them, or does the out of square door push them down as you open them. I think they would go up? Or stay level?

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#8 posted 289 days ago

I think it would be easier to taper the moulding. I know it
looks worse, but getting those angles all cut to match
up on the doors is a hassle.

Question is, are you being paid to do it right or just get it done?

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#9 posted 289 days ago

Mark, just a thought and it might be kind of crazy, but why not show the owners the issue and your proposed solutions and have them decide. That way they can’t say that you made the wrong choice for their aesthetic.

-- Art

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#10 posted 288 days ago

...well Renners, you referred to the doors as ‘slab doors’, not quite sure if they are hollow core doors by that description or not.

If they are you will likely have to drop each door by about an 1/8 of an inch as they progress from the right to left side of the opening and trim both the bottom and the top as a total unit in order to stay in the solid wood framework inside of the doors.

Lay the doors out flat on the floor and proceed;

The doors will now be skewed and the left door is 5/8” lower than the door on the right.
[5 doors x 1/8” skew = 5/8” total]

”the floor drops to the right by 1/2”,” …scribed and trimmed, 1 1/8” on the left to zero on the right.

By the 1/8” skew per door the left door is 5/8” longer than the door on the right, so by trimming off 1 1/8” on the left to zero on the right, the bottom right corner of the right door is 1/2” longer than the left corner of the left door.
[trim the 5/8”skewed + trim 1/2” drop = 9/8” or 1 1/8”]

”the ceiling to the right is 1 1/4 higher” …scribed and trimmed, 5/8” on the left to zero on the right.

By the 1/8” skew per door the left door is already 5/8” lower at the top than the right side, so by trimming off 5/8” on the left to zero on the right, the right top corner of the right door will be 1 1/4 ” higer than the left corner of the left door.
[ 5/8” skewed + 5/8” trimmed = 10/8” or 1 1/4”].

”and the wall on the right is not plumb – the alcove is 1/2” wider at the top than the bottom.”

...now scribe and trim the right door out of plumb.

…damn, that was a long way around that closet door.

If the doors are actually solid slabs of wood, skip the skew, scribe and saw to shape. ;-)

-OR-

Ask the Homeowner to have the Builder offer a solution.

Best Regards, good luck with your project. Len.

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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#11 posted 288 days ago

I guess you are already locked into the bifold doors. Sliding bypass doors would allow you to square up the top by scribing a piece of molding to the ceiling/walls.

Otherwise, I would definitely vote for option #2.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#12 posted 280 days ago

So, how’d you do?

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#13 posted 280 days ago

Thanks for taking an intetest Kevin, I’ll post pictures when it’s done. This job is very much client led, I don’t especially like it or the paint (had to wait a week for that), but she has had this specific look in mind from the outset. I’ve only been able to go up to the house at weekends, got the internals in and it doesn’t look too bad wonky walls and all, so in the interest of just getting it done, the doors are going in square. The other walls are being painted the same colour so they will help hide the crookedness of it’s surroundings.

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#14 posted 280 days ago

It’s cool. Sometimes things like that don’t bother people like it bothers a craftsman. Just got to do what you got to do and get paid. Thanks for posting back.

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