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Oosik

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11-10-2013 10:31 PM

I’m looking at picking up the Grizzly G7944 Drill Press and G0513 Bandsaw.

Any cons or alternatives I should be aware of? Also what is a good blade and drill set to start with?

Thanks!


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casual1carpenter

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#1 posted 11-10-2013 11:22 PM

Are you looking at the “17-2-HP-Bandsaw-Anniversary-Edition/G0513ANV” ? might be same as g513 as they say just a “different” paint job and price. I can not remember if the Christmas catalog price was cheaper yet or not.

Blade selection will depend on what you will be cutting or should I say mostly cutting. The blade that came with my 513 was fair I guess, but it got changed to a timber wolf real fast as I wanted a wider blade.

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Jerry

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#2 posted 11-11-2013 12:11 AM

I am not a huge fan of the newer machinery. Many times old iron can be had for similar money or less. I have a PM81 20” BS with a new Dayton 2hp single phase motor with thermal overload. The monster is built to last 100 years and weighs in at 1000 lbs. My question would be of the G0513 17” Bandsaw, which weighs in at 342 lbs, how has Grizzly made that machine so light, and what corners or inferior materials have they used to produce a bandsaw that weighs about the same as a Ridgid contractor saw. With an older PM81 or Rockwell 20” bandsaw, you would have a machine that is ready to give another 50 years of service, whereas a newer less proven model Grizzly might provide you a few years.

If you buy something new, you better look for a decent warranty because you might need it. If you prefer to have a stout BS that you can just use hard without worrying about any warranty issues, just let me know as I am sure I can help you.

When I first began I had to have shiny new, I bought a brand new Ridgid contractor saw, a brand new Grizzly shaper. Now looking at the ‘steals’ I have made and the outrageous deals I have managed to pull off, the light has come on in my thinking and I am embarrassed to even admit I bought some of that newer stuff. Some of the worst purchases I have made were of newer equipment. I just wish when I first began I had someone guiding me and helping me make wiser machine purchases. That sure would have saved me a lot of money.

As for blades, it matters mostly as to what you are doing. I use Precision Saw and Tool here in San Antonio. They offer a very decent blade for the cost and they are local and can weld whatever size you need. If you are going to resaw a lot, then I would consider a carbide tipped blade. If you are looking at smaller projects then a blade from Precision Saw and Tool will do fine.

As for the drill press, I bet it is a great drill press for the price. But then again, I see heavy Rockwell floor model drill presses go for 100 +/- all the time. An auction I was at a few months back, a fellow took a Rockwell floor model press for 40.00. My wife was mad at me for letting the fellow off so easy. She was extremely mad I did not make that guy pay or bring it home myself but that day I had other priorities.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#3 posted 11-11-2013 12:20 AM

I have a friend with that bandsaw. The motor quit within a month or two after he received it. They shipped him a new motor immediately. Never heard is anyone found out what was wrong with the original motor. He loves the bandsaw. Cut a lot of big bowl blanks with it.

-- “We all die. The goal isn't to live forever; the goal is to create something that will.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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Oosik

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#4 posted 11-11-2013 12:26 AM

Jerry,

I’ve been browsing Craigslist for older tools but I tend to run into how am I going to move the heavier stuff and then of course the concern of paying cash and getting stuck with a dud.

I’ve read a lot of people like grizzly table saws but wasn’t sure of there other stuff.

I might browse around CL some more. What are the older brands that are known to last?

I would like to make bandsaw boxes but I’m really looking at doing anything and everything.

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Jerry

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#5 posted 11-11-2013 12:57 AM

Mainly just Rockwell and PM81 I have experience with. There are others but those are the two Bandsaws I have owned in the past. I owned a 20” Rockwell, I sold it on CL for 450.00. I currently own the PM81. There are other bandsaws, mostly any of the mfg of older machines. Just last week Dallas ISD sold a PM81 and a 20” Rockwell, and also 2 other 14” Powermatic bandsaws. A few months ago I seen Austin ISD sell 2 Powermatic 14” bandsaws, both went for 180.00 each. Just about 4 weeks ago I watched San Antonio ISD sell a Powermatic 14” bandsaw. I have seen roughly 12 bandsaws, all of them were Powermatic and Rockwell, over the past 6 months, or an average of 2 per month.

I will admit to you, I love older iron because I feel you get more for your money. While I read about issues folks have with other bandsaws, we just use our machines. Of all of our used purchases, only two machines did the motors burn out after usage, one was on a Grizzly TS and the other was a ridgid contractor saw. I have been known to swap out motors a few other times in order to go from 3 phase to single phase. In those cases the old 3 phase motors are still in our shop and still work fine.

It is your money but at 1,400.00 a lot of power can be purchased or leveraged. Such as with the Drill press, we have 2 bench top drill presses that I paid next to nothing for and they both serve our shop very well. Actually the one press did such a great job for us, we one day decided to bless a younger up and coming wood worker and just gave it to him to help him start out his shop. That press became expandable when we picked up a Blum minipress machine.

For the most part, older machines are extremely simple. We have a motor, switch, belts, pulleys, some bearings, threaded rods / various moving parts. It is all so very simple to work on and repair. I once bought a 7.5 hp shaper, it was a—ugly, I got it for 210.00 because nobody wanted to chance it. I brought it home and it worked perfect, but then I realized the height adjustment cylinder was rusted/seized. I was disappointed and assumed I would need to completely disassemble the shaper and spend a decent amount of time working it. But before drastic measures, I would drown the cylinder with lubricant 2 times per day for a week straight. Then just all of a sudden that cylinder began moving and to this day it is by far the best shaper in the shop. The up and down adjustment can be made with just one finger on the hand crank. It is one awesome shaper. And to think folks slept on it or simply feared it.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#6 posted 11-11-2013 01:06 AM

I will also throw out there that we are selling our PM81. But if you prefer the new Grizzly then I understand. I am only selling because the PM81 is rarely ever used plus I am certain I will likely buy a dozen more PM81 bandsaws in my lifetime since I happen to love that saw.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#7 posted 11-11-2013 02:36 AM

I have the 7944 DP. It’s a good machine. I picked mine up off Craigslist for peanuts. Decent power, good features, respectable quill travel length. I wrote a review, check it out.
However, in my opinion, the Porter Cable DP that lowes sells is a slightly better machine for less money. I’d urge you to consider it before ordering the Grizzly.
Oh- and sears also sells a 14” DP that appears to be the same as the Grizzly. It can often be caught on sale for under $325. If you have a sears in your area, you can have it shipped to your local store for free.

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Oosik

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#8 posted 11-11-2013 03:29 AM

Any details to why the porter cable is better?

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Tedstor

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#9 posted 11-11-2013 03:42 AM

PC has 4” of spindle travel. The Grizz has ~3.25” (I think).
PC has a slightly bigger table.
PC has a gooseneck worklamp. The Grizz has a fixed lamp.
The PC is $329, but you can find a 10% coupon and get it ~$300 out the door. Of course, this is only an option if you have a Lowes in your area.
The Grizz will set you back $435.
Don’t get me wrong here. I’m not saying the Grizz is a bad machine. Its a fine machine- I like mine a lot. But the PC is a much better value in my mind.

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UpstateNYdude

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#10 posted 11-11-2013 04:10 AM

With the comments on going with older previously used machinery that’s all fine and dandy but first you have to actually locate one of those machines within your area or pay monster shipping charges for freighting to you then you have to deal with moving a half ton machine (good luck). Also in the fact that not everyone takes care of there machines like me or anyone that actually cares about the stuff they pay for so you better damn well know what to look for because if you buy vintage and something breaks good luck finding parts.

That being said I own a 19” Grizzly bandsaw (G0514X2) and its an absolute monster of a machine I resaw 6’ green logs cherry, red oak, walnut, you name it machine never bogs down or slows at all. I also own the 15” spiral cutterhead thickness planer (G0453Z) and it works like a dream hell I barely have to do any finish sanding with that baby. I also own the 8” spiral cutterhead jointer (G0490X) and again beautiful machine.

I have had zero problems with any of my machines other then some small scrapes on them from delivery which I called their CS reps and they sent me out touch up paint no questions asked. As for the weight of the machines the frames are thin gauge steel covers with power coated paint which I assure you is no different then any company today including Powermatic the parts that actually matter are cast iron, so Jerry’s machine above may all be made from solid cast iron and weigh 1000lbs but I don’t know to many people who have broken a BS frame in half they even make them from wood so I’m glad he can move a 1000lb BS around but mines on a mobile base and at about 450lbs I move mine across my garage effortlessly.

As for the DP I have one of the Rigid ones from HD I scored off CL brand new for $200, to me a DP is a DP quill travel is moot with an adjustable height table and table size is nothing because you’ll most likely build your own table anyway, the light is another thing you can add your self. If I was to buy any drill press I’d buy one with an adjustable speed that I didn’t have to swap belts to achieve like the PM one they use on Woodsmith but that’s like $1300.

-- Nick, “Discovering the truth about ourselves is a lifetime's work, but it's worth the effort.” ― Fred Rogers, Be My Neighbor

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