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lumberjoe

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298 days ago

So the time has finally arrived for dust collection. I have done a lot of research and have narrowed down my options to the following and would like some feedback

Goals
Keeping dust off the floor and keeping my tools clean. I spend more time cleaning the shop than I do woodworking. I’ve had enough. Keeping fine dust out of the air is not a goal of mine. I do have ceiling mounted air filtration already and wear masks when appropriate. I have various shop vacs that I use on the spindle sander, router table, and sanders. The higher suction has more value than high CFM in these cases.

limitations
Power. I have 30 amps going to a sub panel in the garage. That’s it. Upgrading is not an option and won’t be for a very long time . I only have 115v tools. The largest draw tool tool I have is my R4512 which is 13 amps. I would like to get a 12 to 13 amp MAX dust collector

Tools that will be hooked up
The table saw and bandsaw have 4” ports (bandsaw also has 2.5” so I will use both). My benchtop jointer and lunchbox planer have 2 1/2” ports. I will be hooking up one tool at a time. No hard plumbing. Again, I am looking more for chip extraction than fine dust collection. As mentioned, shop vacs will take care of the routers and sanders.

Options

HF 13 gallon portable dust collector. Don’t even suggest the 2hp model, I don’t have the power for it (draws 20 amps). This will be mated to a DIY trashcan separator. Supposedly 660cfm, and only draws 7 amps

Rikon portable dust collector. This looks like a nice unit and gets decent reviews. My only concern is it is only rated at 106cfm. That’s a lower CFM than a shop vac. It does have a .5 micron (yes, 0.5, not 5.0, I verified that with Rikon) filter so it would get most of the fine dust. I am pretty concerned about the extremely low CFM rating – especially since it draws 12 amps.

What’s my best bet here?

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jonah

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#1 posted 298 days ago

If you have a sub panel in the garage, why not consider a dust collector that can run on 240V? You can just add a new 240V double breaker to the existing sub panel (assuming it has room that is). That would allow you to use a much more substantial collector like the HF 2 horse one. That draws 9-10A at 240V, leaving you a comfortable safety margin. You could also rewire your table saw to 240V and have even more headroom.

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lumberjoe

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#2 posted 298 days ago

I didn’t know I could do that. There is only a 10/3 wire running from the garage to the panel in the house with a 30 amp breaker. The main panel is only 100amps right now, so adding more can’t happen.

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Loren

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#3 posted 298 days ago

A 6 gallon shop vac combined with a “cyclone” garbage
can lid will do fine. Use 4” hose from the tool to the
trash can, 2.5” to the vac. I used this sort of setup
on and off for years and it works well for planer shavings.

If you really want to minimize mess, you need a lot of
CFM. You can get the most out of a 110v collector
by really minimizing duct runs. A unit like the Harbor
Freight portable can be mounted on top of a steel
drum than serves as a pre-separator. If you use
it without one, that little bag will fill up with planer
shavings in a short time. Bag durability will be better
too.

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lumberjoe

2833 posts in 883 days


#4 posted 298 days ago

Loren,

That’s the idea. Mount the little HF guy on a 50 gallon drum.

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kdc68

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#5 posted 298 days ago

I’m in a similar situation. Been eyeballing these models for awhile, just haven’t made the any decision on any brand/model.
Have you considered these models ? If so, then what is your opinion of these ?
Not advocating Grizzly by the way, just looking at every affordable solution…lol

http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Dust-Collector/G1028Z2

http://www.grizzly.com/products/G8027

http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-HP-Light-Duty-Dust-Collector-Polar-Bear-Series/G1163P

http://www.grizzly.com/outlet/1-HP-Light-Duty-Dust-Collector/G1163

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Kaleb the Swede

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#6 posted 298 days ago

I bought the Harbor Freight 13 gallon dust collector. It’s 1 HP I run it to a woodcraft cyclone trash can lid to a metal trash can with a Y fitting that goes to my table saw and my miter saw. Both have blast gates. I leave the table saw one on permanently and switch hoses for the miter saw to my planer as needed. It’s a good unit, not great but it gets the job done. I don’t have any 220 in my Garage. Just keep your lines small, and wrap your connections.

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crank49

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#7 posted 298 days ago

It’s not at all uncommon for a 100 amp breaker panel to have 20 slots for circuits.
Those slots can hold 15 amp, 20 amp, 30 amp or even up to 60 amp breakers.
A little math will reveal that with every slot filled with the smallest breakers, 15 amps, they would total 300 amps.
That’s legal, that’s safe, that’s no problem.
The main breaker will trip, protecting the supply lines and panel, if the maximum load exceeds 100 amps.
And since each breaker is protecting the wire attached to it, nothing is going to overload or catch fire.

The key is whether you frequently reach or exceed the 100 amp max and cause the main breaker to trip.
If you do, then you have no capacity to increase the power available in the garage.

If you do not remember ever having to reset the main breaker, you probably have more power available.

You could remove the 30 amp breaker and replace it with a 2 pole 40 amp breaker. Then replace the 10/3 wire with #8/4 wire. (new code requires ground and neutral to both have separate wires back to the main panel).
Then install a 6 slot sub-panel in the garage.
Now you have 2 slots for a 240 volt machine if you need it, and 4 more breaker slots for outlets, dust collectors, planers, jointers, or whatever.

If I were to do this, I’d also check to see how the lights were wired in the garage. It’s best if they are not on the same supply circuit as the machines. It’s a bad feeling to over load the table saw and trip the breaker and find your self in the dark with a spinning blade somewhere in front of you.

Dust collector:
I have the HF 2 HP DC. I plug it into a regular outlet all the time. No problem. Most outlets are wired with 12/3 or 12/2 w/gnd wire and on 20 amp breakers. It can’t be on the same circuit as my 1 3/4 HP TS for more than a few minutes before the breaker trips.

I also have the 1HP HF DC. It is louder than the 2 HP but can handle my TS okay. I bought the smaller unit to mount on my miter saw work station when I get it built.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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lumberjoe

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#8 posted 298 days ago

The shipping kills me on the Grizzly stuff. I can get the Rikon at my woodcraft (they have a demo unit for 100$) and they also have a woodriver brand similar to the HF that I can get for around that price also. There is a harbor fright right next door to woodcraft too.

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lumberjoe

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#9 posted 298 days ago

Pulling the 8/4 would be an issue. I would likely have to dig a trench and rip up asphalt. The lighting is on the same supply line – BUT someone upgraded the power in the garage at some point. There is still a 12/2 run going from the garage to the house – capped on both ends. I could likely just reterminate that and run the lighting from it.

The lighting is on a separate breaker in the garage sub panel.

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kdc68

1964 posts in 911 days


#10 posted 298 days ago

Agreed shipping is a downside for sure. But I’d be willing to pay it if any of those options were worth it.
Lucky for you Woodcraft is local for you. My hometown used to have a Woodcraft, but it closed years ago….that was a sad day…
I have a couple of separators on my shop vacs now from Rocklers. They work pretty good and I don’t have to empty the shop vac as often, nor does it plug up the filter as often….this may help your situation….link below

http://www.rockler.com/dust-right-dust-separator

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lumberjoe

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#11 posted 298 days ago

I was considering just using a shop vac, but a proper DC pulls way more CFM (more important than suction on a jointer/planer/tablesaw) and uses way less power. The ones I am looking at are around the same price as a decent shop vac

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bigblockyeti

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#12 posted 298 days ago

I have a Delta AP400 (650 CFM) that pulls 12 amps, I think. It’s way more airflow than you’ll get out of any shop vac. I got mine 10+ years ago brand new from Lowe’s for $160. Since, it’s gone up to closer to $300, and even more if you opt for the canister filter. I’ve seen good looking ones used on Craigslist for $100. The Delta, JET and Powermatic are all close to each other in terms of size and performance. If you do decide keeping the finer dust out of the air is more of a priority, you can always retrofit the DC with a canister top filter and plastic bottom bag in place of the filter bags it comes with.

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kdc68

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#13 posted 298 days ago

Yep…agreed. That’s why I too am looking at a proper DC….good luck in your search….hope you upadate this forum on what you decide to help those that are also looking for a better alternative …

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MT_Stringer

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#14 posted 298 days ago

As Crank stated, the 2 HP HF model runs off 110v, not 220. At least that is the way mine operates. A chip separator upstream of the fan will be helpful…and easier to empty than wrestling with the bag.

I started with a ShopVac and the Dust deputy…and I still use it daily for the miter saw, and sanders. Heck I even connect the hose to a Lowe’s bucket max and it works just as well. The HF DC has a manifold piped up to the table saw w/blast gate. The rest of the manifold connects to whatever tool I am using (band saw, planer, jointer, drum sander) via 4 inch hose.

Good luck. Wood mag has a 25% HF discount coupon in the current edition. :-)

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lumberjoe

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#15 posted 298 days ago

The HF unit does run off 110v, but it draws 20amps. I have a total of 30. 20amp DC + 13 amp tablesaw = tripped breaker.

Wiring them 240 could be an option because they draw so much less.

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