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Forum topic by georgiaken posted 10-31-2013 12:24 PM 964 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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georgiaken

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10-31-2013 12:24 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dj-15 jointer dick rank french oak roubo tool gloat

So, I have watched a Delta DJ-15 on CL for a week or two. I couldn’t decide whether to take the 6” or wait on an 8”. Thing is, a Delta DJ-20 8” showed up on the day that I was barbecuing for company…by the time I saw it, it was gone…less than 8 hours. They only wanted $750 for it…This was an older model. There was also an 8” “Professional ” on CL for $750, that dropped to $650. I just couldn’t see paying $650 for a newer Delta. I know it’s an 8” but, well, anyway…I digress.

The DJ-15 is a 37-150. It was made in Brazil and made by Invicta. It’s a 1987 and it’s a parallelogram model. I grabbed the manual from the web, before I even got there. The machine was in pristine condition…everything perfect…and I do mean everything. It was lubed and waxed…no rust…

The owner ran a piece of oak through it and it came out feeling like it was finish sanded…he sharpened the blades before he listed it.

So, I drive out to this airplane hanger on a smallish regional airport and meet Dick. He’s an older gentleman and I can tell he’s torn about the sale (we talk on the phone and I negotiated the price before I arrived). Oh yeah, I bought it for $450…he asked for $495.

Turns out, Dick was Dick Rank…the guy who writes for Highland Woodworker Magazine. He showed me around his shop…incredible place, filled with all kinds of goodies…I saw Powermatics (vintage and new), Deltas (vintage and new)...just all kinds of toys. He also had 3 Roubo workbenches…two he built, and one of them was an Ulmia…just beautiful. Anyway, he gave me a significant amount if his time, talking woodworking.

For you hand tool guys (if you read this forum), I was talking about building a bench and hand planing the top. He ended up selling me a 2 Stanley Bailey Type 9 planes…a 5 and a 6C for $30 and $40 respectively (he didn’t claim the models etc…I just looked them up – they may in fact be “Frankenplanes,” who knows? I know the bases are Type 9 LOL). They were in great shape and already cleaned up.

And, he showed me some Oak…planted in Versaille (France) as a gift from Thomas Jefferson. He told me the oak was felled in 1990 (talk about “old growth”). He got the oak here:

There’s another article about it here.

Being completely new to this, it was amazing talking to this guy. I mean, I only got started last month and right now, I am just buying equipment and planning out my basement workshop.

I spent some time last night completely taking the machine out of alignment and realigning it myself. I mean, it was set up PERFECT, but I am a tinkerer and…I need to know how to align the machine if I am going to use it. I think it really helps to know the innards of your equipment. Anyway, I can edge joint a 24” board, with no snipe and 1 square edge (after face jointing). I practiced on a piece of 1”X4”X24” scrap (and yeah, I have push shoes). I used a straight edge, looking into the light to see if the edge was straight…I mean, I didn’t use feeler gauges on the table or anything, but the wood was straight…and I am happy.

I LOVE this machine…one day I may move up to an 8”, but for now, this is my most exciting purchase to date.
And…Dick suggested that I stay in touch and stop by now and again. Maybe, just maybe, I have a potential mentor…

And yeah, they are sitting on my kitchen counter LOL – my wife is cool like that…unless we’re having company…



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jonah

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#1 posted 10-31-2013 01:16 PM

Just for your information, the plane on the right is definitely not a type 9. It’s hard to tell from only one picture, but its definitely a type 16 or newer based on the raised ring under the knob and the kidney shaped hole in the lever cap.

The one on the left could very well be a type 9, but again, hard to tell from only one angle.

See here for the definitive information and pictures:

https://home.comcast.net/%7Erarebear/planes101/typing/typing.htm

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b2rtch

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#2 posted 10-31-2013 01:23 PM

Wonderful story

-- Bert

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Don W

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#3 posted 10-31-2013 01:24 PM

Interesting story. You got some pretty good prices. jonah is right about the type’s though. The high knob and ring gives it away. Certainly still good users and should help fill out your shop.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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PaulDoug

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#4 posted 10-31-2013 01:36 PM

Great story and congrats on the new equipment. You are starting out with much better equipment than a lot of us have that have been in this hobby for year. You will love it.

-- “We all die. The goal isn't to live forever; the goal is to create something that will.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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WayneC

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#5 posted 10-31-2013 02:12 PM

Great story. Looking forward to seeing the projects.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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georgiaken

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#6 posted 10-31-2013 02:56 PM

Thanks everyone…Dick is a great guy.

I used this as my guide for the planes…

Here 9

“The Patent dates “Mar.-25-02” “Aug.-19-02” are cast into the bed, immediately behind the frog.”

Both of the sole plates for my planes have that.

I think they might be a mix of parts, they don’t seem to match up with the descriptions on those sites completely…but, I am just guessing…I have ZERO experience with hand planes (or woodworking LOL)...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night ;)

And yes, I am building up my arsenal slowly:

Ridgid TS3612 – table saw – $275
Ridgid MS1260 – miter saw – $150
Delta DJ-15 – jointer – $450
Incra 1000SE – miter – $80
Dewalt DW735x – $534 (still working on getting a price match discount of another 10%)
Bosch MRC23EVSK – in the mail…regular retail price $279

I am supposed to pick up a Delta 17-900 drill this weekend for $200 and I am looking at a Ridgid BS1400 (older model) for $200. I know these are not top quality band saws and have issues, but I’ve read that with a few Grizzly parts swaps, they aren’t half bad…I won’t be sawing oak veneers or anything LOL

And…a Biesemeyer Commercial Fence has come up for about $150. So, I am thinking about that too…

I am pretty stoked and just trying to build a halfway decent shop right now…there are several projects coming together in my head…

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489tad

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#7 posted 10-31-2013 03:11 PM

Congratulations on the great finds. What a great story. Enjoy the ride.

-- Dan, Naperville IL, I.G.N.

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georgiaken

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#8 posted 10-31-2013 04:54 PM

Jonah and Don W,

I went back and checked…only the #6 has that patent date stamp on it…I never really looked closely at the other one…

As usual…you folks know your stuff!

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Surfside

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#9 posted 10-31-2013 07:02 PM

Great story! Congratulations on your purchase. What a good deal.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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georgiaken

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#10 posted 11-01-2013 06:06 PM

Whelp, I was thinking….so, you think you know how to joint a board, huh? I had some old 1”X4”X6’ laying around that I used to brace a mobile closet frame I built a few years back (I have no woodworking experience, but I’ve done some simple rough carpentry…really simple).

Anyway, I decide I want to test two things…did I really set up the machine right? And…do I really know how to edge joint a board…particularly, a long board (please forgive the setup of the experiment…it was skewed in my favor…cheap pine is really soft LOL).

I grabbed the board, marked off one side (the arrows), ran it through the jointer, cut it on the miter saw, and put it in the pipe clamps. What you see on the clamps is only two of the boards. I don’t have my saw set up to rip, so trying to joint an additional edge would not have yielded a parallel board, so I figured…just see if all three line up to each other, two at a time. I am very happy to report that they did.

I know, it’s silly, but this is the first time I have ever done this. I also flipped one of the boards over to see if it would line up better (indicating my fence isn’t truly 90 degrees) – I could not see any difference, regardless of how I held them together. I also paid no attention to grain direction (while lining up the boards, not while jointing) and I didn’t bother doing the over and under clamping. This was just a little practice run…

The only thing I noticed was a slight ridge running down the “glue line.” That was OK though…I didn’t plane the board, so I expected it wouldn’t be all that perfect (planer isn’t set up yet either).

I think when I get to doing this on real projects, I am going to build some simple cauls…

Thanks for bearing with my newbie excitement…hopefully I’ll have a project to post one day soon!

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SCOTSMAN

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#11 posted 11-01-2013 07:16 PM

You sure sound like a nice guy and deserve a nice deal like this make sure you use dust extraction as a planer is one of the messiest machines going.otherwise have fun regards Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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georgiaken

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#12 posted 11-01-2013 07:46 PM

Thanks Alistair. My next purchase, after the drill press and possibly the band saw is a dust collector. I am looking at dust collectors and pricing out a home built air filter (if I can find an old blower motor).

I keep getting excited about “projects,” but the truth of the matter is my main project right now is building a workshop. I need to get the tools, get organized, build a workbench, build jigs etc etc.

I already have eye protection and ear protection. I have a dust mask, but I’ll be upgrading to a much nicer mask soon…assuming I’ll need to use MDF for the jigs (no way am I wearing a regular old dust mask with that stuff).

I can use my shop vac in the mean time, but I expect to have a real dust collector within a month or so…

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georgiaken

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#13 posted 01-21-2014 09:37 PM

I’ve been busy preparing a nursery…our baby girl is due January 25th. In the mean time, I’ve picked up:

the drill press: Delta 17-900
the band saw – Ridgid BS14000
Harbor Freight dust collector
Jet air filtration AFS-1000
Porter Cable Jig Saw 9543 $50

I also managed to grab 11 White oak 4X4 8 foot posts for $70.

I’ll have a few projects one day soon…

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