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Forum topic by Jofa posted 10-23-2013 10:26 PM 1217 views 0 times favorited 25 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Jofa

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10-23-2013 10:26 PM

Hey all.

I have a new pedlaboard customer who asked for Poplar as one of the options. He wants a moderate to light stain with a semigloss laquer finish.

My question is regarding how Poplar might handle stain and/or laquer. I believe I read somewhere on LJ’s that Poplar has a tendency to oxidize?? or that it may not stain with predictable results.

I will knock back the stain a little with some steel wool just to get some of the grain to pop but I figured I would ask the experts. Thanks.

-- Thank you Lord for the passion and ability to make things from your creation.


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TheDane

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#1 posted 10-23-2013 10:31 PM

In my experience, it is best for paint … with stain, it tends to blotch. I have had success staining it after using Charles Neil’s Blotch Control.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#2 posted 10-23-2013 10:41 PM

Hey Jofa! As I write this I am applying the first coat of gel stain to a poplar box. I have had good luck staining by using a pre-conditioner prior to the stain. I also use gel stains which, combined with the conditioner, tends to blotch less. I will let you know how the box turns out in a few minutes.

-- Anthony - "The blacksmith and the artist, reflect it in their art. They forge their creativity, closer to the heart"

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Jofa

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#3 posted 10-23-2013 10:53 PM

Thanks Gerry and Anthony. Definitely let me know how it turns out!

-- Thank you Lord for the passion and ability to make things from your creation.

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#4 posted 10-23-2013 11:02 PM

If I had to stain poplar I would use a washcoat of shellac first. I like a 3:2 ratio of denatured alcohol to Zinssner Bullseye Seal Coat. This ratio seals the wood to prevent blotching, but won’t prevent you from getting darker colors.

I really prefer to use poplar as a secondary wood for drawer boxes. In that case I just spray them with clear shellac, and they are quite attractive.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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bondogaposis

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#5 posted 10-23-2013 11:03 PM

The above advice is right on.

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#6 posted 10-23-2013 11:07 PM

Relatively inexpensive. Mainly clear and knot free wood that is easy to machine. Great choice of wood for paint. The green heartwood will eventually turn towards a brown color. Staining would require a pre stain conditioner or you can try dyes by itself or a combination of dyes, toners, and glazes. Gel stains and shellac as others mentioned work as well. ..I personally like it with a clear finish…my shop “furniture” is mostly made of poplar with a clear finish….this is my outfeed table

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/89246

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Anthony

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#7 posted 10-23-2013 11:12 PM

kdc68, love the outfeed table! Nice Work.

Jofa, the gel stain came out good. I maybe could have let it sit a bit more before wiping it off.

Be wary of sanding, Poplar is very soft and any sanding marks will show if you use a darker stain so surface prep is vitally important.

-- Anthony - "The blacksmith and the artist, reflect it in their art. They forge their creativity, closer to the heart"

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#8 posted 10-23-2013 11:17 PM

I think a sealer or shellac first coat will take care of your problems.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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kdc68

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#9 posted 10-23-2013 11:18 PM

Anthony...thanks Jofa...good luck and looking forward to seeing the finished project

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Jofa

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#10 posted 10-23-2013 11:19 PM

Wow thanks guys.

kdc68, that outfeed table is nicer than my bedroom furniture!

Anthony, thanks for the heads up on the stain.

I know the customer wants something darker than pine and the blotch thing concerns me. I may just look for boards that have some darkness already in them. Either that or look for some other species that will stain better.

-- Thank you Lord for the passion and ability to make things from your creation.

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kdc68

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#11 posted 10-23-2013 11:41 PM

Jofa...thanks…..If you have scrap of different species …make some stain samples…let your customer view each and that may help

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Jofa

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#12 posted 10-23-2013 11:55 PM

^ yep I’m definitely going to try a couple of pieces for my own edification. As for the customer… Nova Scotia! LOL!!!

-- Thank you Lord for the passion and ability to make things from your creation.

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#13 posted 10-24-2013 12:20 AM

I second the suggestion to use Charles Neil’s Blotch Control. It makes a huge difference. As to looking for boards with some darkness, without the blotch control, I think that the lighter wood took darker stain and the darker stayed about the same. I know that sounds backward but that was my observation.

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kdc68

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#14 posted 10-24-2013 02:26 AM

Jofa...this may be helpful

http://americanwoodworker.com/blogs/techniques/archive/2012/05/24/make-poplar-look-pretty.aspx

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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ColonelTravis

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#15 posted 10-24-2013 02:46 AM

kdc68, that is a nice table and link there. Helpful thread all around.

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