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Forum topic by Oosik posted 10-18-2013 07:54 AM 1007 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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10-18-2013 07:54 AM

After reading the forums over and over to help pick a table saw it appears used cabinet is the way to go if I can get a deal. So I’m looking for help with what used delta/grizzly saws are worth.

There are a few options nearby (hour away).

Delta @ $394 http://austin.craigslist.org/tls/4132067306.html

3 year old G1023RLW @ $1,000 http://austin.craigslist.org/tls/4112359630.html

“Practically New” G0691 @ $1,400 http://austin.craigslist.org/tls/4047237586.html

Any insight to these would help. I’m weighing the option of new and shipping plus expenses to pick these up.

Thanks!


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#1 posted 10-18-2013 10:02 AM

The “Delta” looks like an older Powermatic PM66, possibly a PM65, not a Delta. Great saw either way, with a great fence, at what could be a great price. Check whether or not the motor is single phase and not 3 phase….3 phase requires industrial service or a phase converter, which can cost a bit.

The Griz G1023”RLW” looks like it could be an “SLW”, and not an RLW, but I could be wrong. The RLW has a riving knife, whereas the SLW has a traditional splitter….it’s also probably a tad older than 3 YO. $1000 is a little steep IMO. I’d offer ~ $800-$850.

The G0690 is priced closed to getting a new one….just a get a new G1023RL or G0690 with warranty and that new car smell directly from Grizzly at that price.

Note that all will need 220v to run. All nice saws.

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#2 posted 10-18-2013 10:45 AM

Scott is right, the 690 is overpriced. He’s right again about the Delta too…might possibly be a hell of a deal on a nice cabinet saw. My personal preference would be to get the G1023 though. It looks like a RLW to me, but verify. If everything checks out, I would offer $800 and see where it goes from there.

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#3 posted 10-18-2013 12:17 PM

Thanks for the quick responses. Few follow ups.

What do I look for to see if the Delta/PM is single or 3 phase? And how available are parts?
I was reading that Delta/PM can be difficult to find parts.

Can a riving knife be added easily or do the saws have to be made for them?

Is the G1023 better than the G0690, and I imagine cabinet saws are like cars in they drop 20-35% the moment they drive off?

One last one, and sorry for all the questions I want to make sure I’m not dropping $$$ down the drain.

Any recommendations on what to look for checking out the TS and how to move these heavy suckers?

I’m hoping a dolly/ramp and couple guys can get it into a truck bed.

Thanks for all the help!

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#4 posted 10-18-2013 12:58 PM

”...Is the G1023 better than the G0690, and I imagine cabinet saws are like cars in they drop 20-35% the moment they drive off?...”

If the G1023 is an SLW then, other than the riving knife, they are almost identical. If it is an RLW then it is different under the hood/trunnions.

Better? NO, not in my opinion. Both ore good saws though.

A 20-35% immediate drop-off in value? That is just a wishful buyer’s fantasy. I would suggest that a well taken care of TS in a home shop will drop-off about 10% per year, until about 5yrs of age or ~50% where things level out in value of the then prevalent sales price.

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Oosik

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#5 posted 10-18-2013 02:25 PM

Mike, could you elaborate on the difference under the hood/trunnions with the RLW? It was wishful thinking on a great deal for a new-ish saw.

It seems the consensus is that a fairly new (<1 year) is better to buy new due to delivery convience unless heavily discounted.

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#6 posted 10-18-2013 03:00 PM

G0690 trunnions:

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G1023SLW trunnions (same as Shop Fox W1677):

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G1023RLW trunnions:

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#7 posted 10-18-2013 03:18 PM

“What do I look for to see if the Delta/PM is single or 3 phase? And how available are parts?
I was reading that Delta/PM can be difficult to find parts.”
You should ask the seller, he will more than likely know. If not, look at the identification plate on the motor. It will tell you exactly what kind of motor it is, what voltage/amperage it uses, and whether or not it’s 3 phase.

Of those three saws, the Powermatic is the best deal. Assuming it works, that’s a solid saw. It will require 240V though, just so you’re aware.

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#8 posted 10-18-2013 03:21 PM

That delta/powermatic looks like a nice deal. I’m pretty sure if it doesn’t have a riving knife already you can add one with the BORK. And if it’s a Biesemeyer fence – you are getting a nice package for that price.

The G1023 to me looks like an SL to me based on the older style power switch. Although this could easily have been an modification. If it is an RLW that’s a fair price for that saw. If it’s an SL – $800 – $850 like knotscott said is a better price given you would need an aftermarket riving knife.

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#9 posted 10-18-2013 03:36 PM

That Powermatic looks like it may have a static phase
converter wired in.

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#10 posted 10-18-2013 04:18 PM

Regarding the G0691 referenced above,... I have to wonder why the seller did not have an image of the actual saw for sale. That may mean nothing, but at least keep your head up about any anomaly, if you take the trip across town to see it. The ad sounds like it is from one of the local UT students/ex-students and looks like the seller didn’t think things out well when he originally made the purchase for himself.

More thoughts…
  • His delivered to him price was $1525. That is $120 below what a newly delivered G0691 is from Grizzly. And THAT is assuming it is the RLW and not the SLW. That said, I would have to assume that the Grizzly “One Year Warranty” has expired or very nearly expired, even if it is the newer model. That means you will be buying a saw without a warranty, but paying a new “Warranted” price for it. Something to consider…
  • He is NOT saving you any “delivery” charges, UNLESS he is actually going to deliver it into YOUR shop. It will take your time and effort to move this thing and the seller openly puts the moving on the buyer. As a matter of fact, it appears that the seller is actually trying to recapture some of HIS cost for the original shipping from Grizzly.
  • The WWII blade sounds like a good blade, but without looking at it (or any other blade) under a microscope, one should consider it well used because of the subjective nature of it.
  • FWIW, when I picked up my G0593 jointer in Austin (an hour away), I had to pay for a friend to come help me load it on the truck to get it to my shop. Plus the time involved.

Good luck! It looks like you have several choices and are doing your research.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Oosik

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#11 posted 10-18-2013 04:55 PM

I’ve only inquired on the two older saws so far asking questions and for additional pictures. I’ve yet to get any real responses yet.

I might send the G0691 a note offering ~$1000-$1200 after asking for some pictures outside of the pic I can find on Grizzly myself.

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knotscott

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#12 posted 10-18-2013 07:23 PM

”That Powermatic looks like it may have a static phase converter wired in.”

If so, that saw looks like a great deal.

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#13 posted 10-18-2013 08:28 PM

Does the phase converter change it from 3 to 1?

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#14 posted 10-18-2013 08:45 PM

I have a Powermatic PM66 and I’m pretty sure that Delta is defnitely a PM65. I think the name Delta gets thrown around as a catchall for cabinet saw but that’s just me. The stock 65 has a 1.5hp motor but the older ones had a 3 phase and the newer ones meaning around 1964-65 (I think…) were replaced with single phase. A PM 66 has a 3 hp single phase, or 5hp 3 phase. Motor aside, I’ve been told the PM65 has the trunnions mounted closely together while the PM66 has them set far apart… for whatever that’s worth. Solid cast iron tops but the 66 has a heavier/beefier top… not a deal breaker from what I’ve been told. They are both still heavy duty. You could probably replace the motor with a 3hp anyway but dont quote me on that. I’d try to do it though…

So if it powers up, the top is flat, and it’s single phase… make sure you have 240v and get it at that price. Wouldnt know what to do without my PM66. She’s a beast and parts arent that tough to find. The Balder motors on the PMs are super reliable and robust and easily replaced. That fence looks like it’s had better days though. I have a Vega Pro 50 installed on mine but I bought mine used without a fence/rail. It works great for me.

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#15 posted 10-18-2013 10:28 PM

Yes, a static phase converter is usually set up to take
single phase power and run a 3 phase motor from it.

Ask the seller. It’s a good deal. Even if you have to
buy a static converter, they are only about $100.

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