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bobasaurus

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10-17-2013 06:28 PM

I got an email from Woodcraft this morning announcing the Pinnacle 40 1/2 scrub plane. It looks pretty fantastic for coarse stock removal, but then I noticed the price. At $170, it costs more than both the Lie-Nielsen and Veritas equivalent planes. I’m skeptical that this plane is any better than the two leading plane makers’ models. I’m always sorely tempted by newly released planes (I even sprung for the veritas shooting plane last month). I don’t mind paying extra for a finely crafted tool, especially US made, but this seems a little over-priced. Anyone have thoughts on this new tool?

-- Allen, Colorado


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#1 posted 10-17-2013 06:35 PM

The woodcraft blog compares it to the Stanley 40-1/2, which is what I have (along with a #40). But they don’t mention that the Stanley 40-1/2 can be bought on fleabay for 45-100.

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#2 posted 10-17-2013 07:08 PM

Perhaps I am alone here, but I see a scrub plane as one area where you absolutely have no need for a top-of-the-line tool. Smoothing plane, yes, scrub, no…

-Sole flatness needs to only be approximate.
-mouth opening does not need tight tolerances.
-Any iron can be ground to an aggressive camber.

I have a wooden plane I use for this type of work (planning down 1/2 or more of material off the edge of a board). It is incapable of fine smoothing work, but it doesn’t matter. I’ve heard of people using the $10 harbor freight plane as a scrub plane…that sounds like a good solution to me.

If I had $170 to spend on a tool, it wouldn’t be a scrub plane.

That’s my opinion, and I’m sticking to it.

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#3 posted 10-17-2013 07:26 PM

Or you can convert a crummy Stanley handyman smoother or jack to do the same thing. It’s coarse stock removal not precision work going on here.

Cambering a blade is not a complicated undertaking.

Easing the edges of the sole 5 minutes with a decent mill file

While it is a pretty plane too much money for not enough bang IMHO.

-- - Terry

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#4 posted 10-17-2013 07:47 PM

Joining the choir…

This is the perfect use for any old, or cheesy plane, even those with the mouth enlarged too much fom fine shavings.

-- It's all good, if it's wood...

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bobasaurus

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#5 posted 10-17-2013 07:55 PM

Very good points here. I have an ECE wooden jack plane that’s very finicky about taking fine shavings… might convert it into a scrub, or try to ebay an old stanley 40 1/2.

-- Allen, Colorado

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#6 posted 10-17-2013 10:01 PM

My 2 cents:

I have a LV scrub and a Stanley #40. I plan on selling both when I get around to taking pictures/posting online, since I haven’t used either for a while.

I personally use a beat up old stanley #5. I could care less if it gets beat up by a rough board, etc. Using a reclaimed board I once caught a nail that I missed/couldn’t see and chipped the blade. Had that been an expensive plane, I probably would have cared, but since it was my #5—I reground, sharpened, and moved on.

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#7 posted 10-17-2013 10:11 PM

mnkraft, I actually have most of an old franken-jack (a sargent #5 equivalent with weird mismatched parts). Maybe I’ll tune it up and get it scrubified. Is the length of the #5 too long, or just about right? Is the weight fatiguing while hogging off lots of wood?

-- Allen, Colorado

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#8 posted 10-18-2013 01:20 AM

I do have a scrub plane and plan to keep it. Don’t use it much nowadays since the wood I work with is not
so twisted / cupped. You can camber your blade and widen the jack plane mouth but the weight is not
comparable to a scrub plane. Scrub planes are much lighter.

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#9 posted 10-18-2013 01:35 AM

I use a Bailey No 5 for my scrub. The length feels good to me, but I’ve also never used a proper scrub, so I’m certainly not an authority on that question. What I am an authority on is how fast it does its job. Can’t imagine a better scrub plane. Regarding fatigue, I don’t feel it so much but again I don’t know how a thoroughbred scrub would feel fatigue-wise. Best of luck!

-- Bailey F - Eastern Mass.

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#10 posted 10-18-2013 01:48 AM

If you are getting rough lumber, the scrub is much more aggressive than a converted jack or such. The single narrow iron and wide mouth eat through wood. It is not that common now for me to be working with lumber that is rough enough to bring it out. Especially if I can pull out the bandsaw and just rip off what I need. Only thing I have used mine for in a long time was shaping some foils for a sailboat. Removing up to 1/2 in of wood on each side made it worthwhile.

As to that one, I have no idea. Can’t say I would buy that one at that price (but I do have a #40 that I brought back to life). You can make a Krenov style plane with a chunk of wood and a cheap block plane iron for under $15 assuming you are buying new parts at retail prices. You would even have money left over from buying a top quality blade or a kit from Ron Hock.

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#11 posted 10-18-2013 01:43 PM

@bobasaurus, I don’t think the weight of a #5 is any more fatiguing than using a scrub. In my opinion, it’s easy to go overboard when using an actual scrub. Personally, I only use an actual scrub as mostly just stock removal—not really flattening. They’re so thin/narrow/short, you really need to be careful not to exaggerate hollows/twist/etc. With my #5, the longer/wider body doesn’t allow me to mess things up as easily.

My LV scrub was one of the first planes I purchased a few years ago, after watching Rob Cossman’s rough to ready DVD. Mostly because, like half of the tools I own, I thought I needed it. At first, I would take 4/4 boards and by the time they were actually flat, I’d have 1/2” at best. From the DVD, it looks like you just hit the board guns-a-blazin’ with the scrub. I’ve since learned to be less aggressive than that.

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#12 posted 10-18-2013 01:57 PM

Wow, I feel out of place if people are talking about the weight of a 5 vs a scrub—I use a #6 as a fore plane for rough lumber. Cuts wider, but not quite as deep, so takes about the same amount of effort. I prefer the extra mass and length. Admittedly, I’ve never used an actual scrub plane, but do have both a #4 and #5 set up for rough work, as well. They rarely get used, ‘cause I reach for the #6 first.

Back on OP’s topic, I totally agree with the other that $170 seems way too much to spend for a plane to do rough work.

-- "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835

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#13 posted 10-18-2013 02:09 PM

My hand did not instinctively reach for my wallet when I saw it like it has with so many other planes. Guessing they will not sell a bunch of these guys.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#14 posted 10-18-2013 02:15 PM

I use the cheapo $12 Harbor Freight plane as my scrub. A few minutes on the grinder and a quick and dirty sharpening, and I was ready to rock. It’s got the big wide mouth and a small footprint, everything you need for a scrub.

-- Brian Timmons - http://www.BigTWoodworks.com

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#15 posted 10-18-2013 02:16 PM

According to their Facebook post (in response to a comment I made that a scrub plane seemed like an odd choice to release first) they’ll soon be releasing a 4 1/2 and a 5 1/2 also.

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