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Blackie_

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09-29-2013 03:52 AM

I’m left with a situation with a glue up for a project I am working on only the glue up won’t fit in my 13” planer unless I turn it to plan against grain, I’m not talking about end grain, I’m talking about the top surface, I’ve never done it before and thought I’d better ask before doing it. I was thinking if I took tiny bits at a time I might be able to do it.

The glue up block is 14” long x 7” wide x 4” thick and the grain is running the length of the glue up, they are flat surfaced glued along with edge glued multiple boards pieced together only one end is left high about 1/8th”

The wood in question is knotty Alder.

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tefinn

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#1 posted 09-29-2013 04:22 AM

I wouldn’t do it. You’re taking a chance of pulling chunks of grain out or it blowing apart in the planer. I’d hand plane it.

-- Tom Finnigan - Measures? We don't need no stinking measures! - Hmm, maybe thats why my project pieces don't fit.

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CalgaryGeoff

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#2 posted 09-29-2013 04:35 AM

Sounds a little iffy,.

-- If you believe you can or can not do a thing, you are correct.

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#3 posted 09-29-2013 04:46 AM

Nope. It will damage the wood at least. Might damage you or the planer too.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Manitario

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#4 posted 09-29-2013 04:48 AM

I’ve often planed against the grain; you’ll get tear out and have to do some aggressive hand planing or sanding to smooth it though. Are you planing it to smooth it out after the glue up? You may want to remove the glue squeeze out with a cabinet scraper and then smooth the surface with hand planes rather than use the machine…

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Blackie_

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#5 posted 09-29-2013 10:16 AM

Ok thanks all I’ll do it by hand the best I can, I have only one hand plane and it’s a HD knock off so it’s not the best, never had a need for a good hand plane until now, the 4” belt sander and 3” hand held belt sander are my two best option now.

Thanks again for the replies.

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miles125

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#6 posted 09-29-2013 10:36 AM

So take off 1/32” at a slow speed and see how it acts. Don’t let the wood win. Make it yield to what you want!

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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Blackie_

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#7 posted 09-29-2013 01:49 PM

3” hand held belt sander along with a straight edge worked great.

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DocSavage45

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#8 posted 09-29-2013 02:29 PM

Good news! Your idea might work if the material has a backer board, but it might also depend on tightness or the grain as well as wood figure.

When you’re not in a hurry you can check it out. A sharp rabbit plane works for end grain. ( I have the hp plane. Does not adjust smoothly, looks pretty though LOL)

Sanding w/ super fine grit at this point was your best option.

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joeyinsouthaustin

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#9 posted 09-29-2013 02:32 PM

A block that small wood lend itself to a router plan setup, if you are not that comfy with the HD hand plane site?

-- Who is John Galt?

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jap

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#10 posted 09-29-2013 02:41 PM

It should plane fine, just take very small passes. And make sure your planer blades are sharp to avoid tear-out.

-- Joel

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Jim Jakosh

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#11 posted 09-29-2013 03:33 PM

I’d not chance it and take it to a drum sander. I did a chess board once and it was the hard maple that constantly chipped out from the planer knives.. I had to pay to have it drum sanded, but it was worth it to me.

One other way would be with an orbital sander in the aggressive mode. I have a Bosch 6” now and in the aggressive mode, it can easily take 1/16” off maple.

.................Jim

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Bluepine38

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#12 posted 09-29-2013 03:48 PM

With that title, I just had to look. A friend had to show off is low angle Lee Valley smoother plane to me a
week or so back on some gnarly oak, it did a fantastic job. Maybe you should start looking for a few planes
to put in your shop, it can not hurt, and it might even be fun.

-- As ever, Gus-the 77 yr young apprentice carpenter

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Blackie_

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#13 posted 09-29-2013 05:40 PM

I have it taken care of now, I wand up using my 3” hand belt sander, it turned out to be a piece of cake.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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HorizontalMike

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#14 posted 09-29-2013 05:44 PM

Randy,
I don’t know what planer you have but you might try a NEW set of blades when trying this. My little 13in Ridgid lunchbox replacement 3-blade set is just $30 at HD. My spherical cutter head jointer is less prone to tearing out, so that might be an option as well.

Just an idea…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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HorizontalMike

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#15 posted 09-29-2013 05:46 PM

Looks like you got it while I was busy posting above… Good.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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