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Forum topic by Blackie_ posted 09-26-2013 03:31 AM 1027 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Blackie_

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09-26-2013 03:31 AM

After posting here on LJ awhile back an issue I was having with lacquer causing tiny crystals to form on some red cedar over a period of time (shelf sitting) Charles Neil chimed in and told me what I needed to do, he mentioned shellac as a sealer first.

I thought about what he said and did some research on shellac and found that using the non waxed version most any other finish will go over the top of it and since it is a sealer I tried it on one my latest projects with a lot of end grain, (not yet posted) I first put a single coat of tung oil with a quick wipe, let it dry, I then came back with a single coat of bulls eye non wax shellac let it dry and it only took two coats of my wipe on poly mix to finish it off with a full cover and no extra coats over the end grain, no soaking in.

I’ll be changing my finishing from now on by adding a coat of shellac to get the ball rolling.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs


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DocSavage45

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#1 posted 09-26-2013 03:44 AM

I’ve know Charles for a number of years now. He is a “finisher” first and woodworker second and he is a pretty fine woodworker. Check out his web sight. Lots of great stuff. Stumpy Nubbs was including a Charles Neil segment for awhile.

I have most of his DVD’s If anyone is interested he built the Townsend Clock as a master woodworking teaching project.

I’m you learned a bunch Randy. Looking forward to your project!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#2 posted 09-26-2013 03:48 AM

thanks randy, its always great to learn the experiences of others, im glad things turned out well…

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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Jim Jakosh

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#3 posted 09-26-2013 11:59 AM

That is interesting, Randy. I see you used tung oil first. Why is that? To bring out the grain? Is tung oil clear?
I have heard that as a base coat for wood that is to be buffed and I may have to get some.

thanks, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#4 posted 09-26-2013 12:59 PM

Good stuff Randy

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Randy_ATX

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#5 posted 09-26-2013 01:10 PM

Randy, shouldn’t the shellac go on as the first coat, if it’s purpose in this application is to seal the wood?
Keep us posted with your results.

-- Randy -- Austin, TX by way of Northwest (Woodville), OH

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Blackie_

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#6 posted 09-26-2013 02:55 PM

Thanks for the replies all.

Jim, yes that is correct I like the effect it gives and no, tung oil will amber the wood, some refer to it as muddying up the wood, what ever it’s referred as it does make the wood pop, I only use it to change the color then I do a quick wipe with a paper towel after its applied.

Randy you are prob right but I just changed up the order, wasn’t sure if the shellac would keep the oil from penetrating into the wood as I think tung oil does the same thing just not as good as shellac, heck I’m not even sure if I really still even need the tung oil now that I’m using shellac as a sealer?

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Randy_ATX

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#7 posted 09-26-2013 05:05 PM

Section off a peice of scrap wood, put tung on one area, shellac on another. Label it underneath so you can’t see what is what. Give the board a spin after it is dry. See if you can visibly tell a difference and then check if you guessed right on which is which. :-)

-- Randy -- Austin, TX by way of Northwest (Woodville), OH

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Bill White

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#8 posted 09-26-2013 08:18 PM

Every once in a while the obvious will prevail. Shellac has been a finish of choice for decades. There are those who will say that there is no need for it, but I will continue to use the de-waxed shellac as a base or finish depending on the project.
It won’t work for highly used surfaces (table tops, etc.), but small projects that are not subject to water, alcohol, etc. will benefit from bug stuff.
Next up my finish chart is real varnish. Note that I didn’t say polycrapithane.
Now, if I finished bowling alleys, that would be a different issue.
Just my eccentric opinion. :)
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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Blackie_

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#9 posted 09-26-2013 08:57 PM

Bill I am a believer :)

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Purrmaster

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#10 posted 09-26-2013 11:17 PM

When you put tung oil on the end grain did it darken the end grain more than the long grain? I ask because I used boiled linseed oil on a project recently. Just like stain, the end grain soaked up more oil and was much darker. I was kind of hoping oil wouldn’t do this.

I do have some raw tung oil and if that doesn’t darken end grain it would be handy to know.

Thanks.

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Blackie_

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#11 posted 09-27-2013 01:11 AM

Purrmaster, not that I’ve ever noticed how ever it does soak into the end grain though.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Purrmaster

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#12 posted 09-27-2013 01:32 AM

Darn. I’ve even seen shellac darken the end grain. Thanks for the info.

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