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CaptCoan

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09-21-2013 12:48 AM

I’m trying to decide wich sharpening system to buy and would like some opinons on wich one you would buy. I’m trying to decide between the Tormek and the work sharp 3000. Thanks

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#1 posted 09-21-2013 01:29 AM

They are two different machines with different capabilities. Unless you want wild-a$$ guesses you’ll probably have to let us know what you intend on sharpening with your purchase. :)

Are you sharpening lathe tools, chisels, plane blades?

Do you want to sharpen scissors or kitchen knives?

Do you need to sharpen jointer or planer blades?

Are you hoping to sharpen your memory, sharpen your wit, sharpen a pencil or sharpen aged cheddar?

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#2 posted 09-21-2013 02:24 AM

try this from woodsmith shop. all i paid for was the sandpaper and a $10 piece of scrap glass.

sample chissel, before:

sample chissel, after:

provides scary sharp results in a short time with little effort.

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eddie

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#3 posted 09-21-2013 02:37 AM

i got the 3000 i like it ,its fast and even an idiot like me can get a sharpe edge just make srue you get the guide to get the right angle on the edge

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CaptCoan

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#4 posted 09-21-2013 02:55 AM

hey joe if it’ll shrpen my wit i’m all in, mostly lathe tools a chisel every now and then and if it’s easy MAYBE my planer knives

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#5 posted 09-21-2013 03:02 AM

I have the worksharp. It’s not made to do lathe chisels, it’s strength is chisels and plane blades.
I had a grizzly knockoff of the tormek. That style could do lathe tools with the right attachments.

But for grinding my lathe tools I use the wolverine jig with a slow-speed grinder.

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#6 posted 09-21-2013 02:29 PM

I have the Work Sharp 3000. I use it frequently. I haven’t directly used the Tormek but I’ve read a lot about it and I have a relative whose got one. I’ll put in my two cents and hope it’s helpful.

The strength of the Tormek is versatility. From what I’ve read you can sharpen just about anything with the proper jig. And there are many jigs for the Tormek. The Tormek is essentially a wet grinder. The abrasive wheel on a Tormek will probably be long lasting. i’ve heard they are well made machines. The “wet” part of wet grinder gives you a margin of safety in terms of not overheating the tools.

The downside is that the Tormek is very expensive. And I don’t think the individual jigs for it are cheap either. The Tormek can be messy because of the water. The Tormek tends to give tools a hollow grind. This is fine and is preferred by many people. The only exception would be mortise chisels.

The Work Sharp is much cheaper than the Tormek. The Work Sharp is basically a motorized version of the “scary sharp” sandpaper on glass method. It’s a dry sharpener.

The Work Sharp is almost foolproof. You stick your chisel up into the sharpening port, clamp it tight and switch on the machine. I’ve heard that you can overheat and ruin the temper on tools with the Work Sharp if you let it grind too long. In practice I’ve never gotten a tool even close to that hot even when grinding with really low grit sanding discs and leaving the tool in the port way too long. The aluminum heatsink the tool rests on does a good job of preventing that.

The Work Sharp’s biggest downside is lack of versatility.

It excels at sharpening plane blades and chisels. And touching up the sharpness of a chisel or plane iron can take less than a minute. You can get your planes and chisels quite sharp. I usually end up gluing some 2,500 grit sandpaper to the glass wheel to finish off my tools.

Sharpening anything other than planes and chisels isn’t so easy. You can, in theory, sharpen almost anything on it free hand. You can even use the slotted wheel so that you can see through the spinning wheel when you want to sharpen freehand. The thing can take a couple of Tormke jigs but you need to buy an extra accessory to do that.

The manual and the video on the Work Sharp is easy to read and understand. It comes with enough sanding discs to get started. You can use the Work Sharp sanding discs (which are actually Norton and Micro Mesh products) or you can slap your own discs on there. Or use Super 77 spray glue to stick sandpaper on it.

If you just need to sharpen planes and chisels I’d get the Work Sharp. It’s cheaper, not messy, fast, and easy to use. If you excel at freehand sharpening it will probably help you out too.

If you need to sharpen things like lathe tools you’ll probably want to look at the Tormek and its many jigs.

I like my Work Sharp. I may get a Tormek to supplement it some day. But the Work Sharp is a lot faster and easier than doing sandpaper on glass by hand.

If you get a Work Sharp I recommend getting an extra glass wheel. And get the “honing abrasives” kit which comes with higher grit discs.

Don’t bother with the belt attachment. I got it and it kind of sucks. I can’t speak to the other WS3000 accessories.

I’ll also put in a plug for the Work Sharp customer service. The glass wheel on mine stopped turning last winter. I e-mailed them and the troubleshooting steps didn’t work for me. They send me a brand new one, in the box with all the included accessories, without question. The problem was that the belt that runs the thing had slipped off inside the unit. The WS rep said this can happen in the winter. I ran into the same problem with the new one in a few weeks but this time their troubleshooting steps did fix it in about 5 minutes.

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#7 posted 09-21-2013 03:06 PM

No doubt about it, the Tormek will sharpen just about everything but sandpaper (and maybe wit). It does a fantastic job on lathe tools, but it is a little slow getting there. I suspect you could do lathe tools on a Worksharp using Tormek jigs (and the Worksharp tool bar) but I haven’t tried it. If you are interested in mostly lathe tools I’d suggest the Wolverine jjg and an 8” slow speed grinder. with white wheels. A lot cheaper (and faster) than a Tormek.

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Posty

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#8 posted 09-21-2013 04:12 PM

I also like the big 10” wet stone and small diamond stone grinder. I have an oops one from shop smith and I love it. Stumpy uses a worksharp and also makes it his own and has some very good ideas to make it better and more versatile. Here is the video link.
http://www.stumpynubs.com/season-1.html

I am going to get one soon to help with plane blades and joiner knives.

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#9 posted 09-22-2013 02:17 PM

Not to screw up your selection process but the WS3000 in on sale at Amazon for $169.99. WS 3000

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#10 posted 09-22-2013 05:31 PM

Jet has one that is similar to the Tormek at a smaller price, but I don’t know if has the same versatility. The hardest thing to sharpen is the gouge. For that, I use my bench grinder free-hand.

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Fred Hargis

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#11 posted 09-22-2013 06:46 PM

Ron, I have the Jet and the Tormek (older model). I actually like the Jet grinder better, it has some improvement that Tormek put on their latest model. But the Jet jigs aren’t nearly as well made as the Tormek ones.

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Purrmaster

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#12 posted 09-23-2013 03:22 AM

For that price I’d snap up the WS3000 immediately. I paid full price for mine and think it was worth it. But it’s a steal at $170.

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CaptCoan

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#13 posted 09-25-2013 12:30 AM

Thanks for everyones input, I went with the Tormek ultimate package couldn’t pass it up, 40th anniversary it comes with a free hat LOL

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HorizontalMike

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#14 posted 09-25-2013 01:51 AM

For a hundred bucks or so you could make on of these… And the best part is that you don’t have to settle for “concave” edges on your blades and cutters.

Harbor Freight 4x36 Belt Sander DIY CONVERSION To Belt Sharpening System

DIY Sharpening Rig

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#15 posted 09-25-2013 02:33 AM

Depends if you want to sharpen planer knives.

I have a Makita. Simple machine. The planer knife
jig works correctly.

Tormek is an excellent machine but a lot depends on
what kind of work you want to do. Tormek makes some
jigs for sharpening turning and carving tools for example.

I would get annoyed with sandpaper replacement costs
with something like the Worksharp.

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