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Forum topic by DKV posted 09-20-2013 03:09 AM 1879 views 0 times favorited 47 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DKV

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09-20-2013 03:09 AM

If you are a hobbyist you don’t need much. Watch Wood Working for Mere Mortals on YouTube. He can build anything and does not have the best tools. You just do not need high price stuff.

Better yet work your way through the projects section of this site, find the type and style of woodworking you want to do and then look at that persons shop. Find a couple so you can compare. I think you’ll be surprised by the projects that can be created from nonpricey tools. Put your money into wood.

It is not productive to ask these guys what to buy. They will either tell you to buy what they own or to buy their “dream machine”...which by the way they will probably never own.

On the other hand, if you have questions concerning anything to do with woodworking techniques and woodworking problems then this is the place to ask. There is a ton of information on this site and a ton of information from the members. They can usually work their way through any problem you have and you’ll come out with two or three ways to solve your current problem and two or three things that you’ll want to try on future projects.

If you are a professional woodworker what the hell are you doing asking for help on which tablesaw to buy?

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Christophret

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#1 posted 09-20-2013 03:27 AM

I totaly agree.
Or you can take the less traveled road and restore vintage tools. One bolt at a time.

-- I cut it twice and it's still too short!

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NiteWalker

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#2 posted 09-20-2013 07:30 AM

Advice I wish I had followed when I bought my first table saw: “Buy the best you can afford”.

I see where you’re coming from, but a saw that doesn’t hold it’s settings, is underpowered, poor fence, etc., just isn’t fun to use, regardless of skill level, and can be very unsafe.
For example, if the fence locks parallel to the blade on one cut, then locks toed in the next, it presents a kickback situation. Will a new table saw user know to shut the saw off instead of trying to force-finish the cut? Hopefully.

“Buy the best you can afford.”

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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knotscott

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#3 posted 09-20-2013 10:06 AM

”It is not productive to ask these guys what to buy. They will either tell you to buy what they own or to buy their “dream machine”…which by the way they will probably never own.”

I can’t disagree with the claim that you don’t need top end tools to build furniture, but the statement above isn’t factual, and isn’t substantiated….it’s not even very nice to your fellow LJ members. Its a sweeping generalization that may or may not be true of some responses, but certainly doesn’t pertain to all. We all have different needs… it’s important for everyone to cater to their own needs, but that doesn’t mean that there’s not a wealth of useful information about the many tools that can be very helpful to confused buyers. No one is born knowing this stuff…it’s learned. Having no input will likely lead to buying less saw for the same money than good information will….it’s up to the buyer to weigh the info and make an informed decision.

Admittedly, I have far more TS than I need to cut wood as a hobbyist, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love owning it. As much as I enjoy a good woodworking challenge, I also enjoy my tools and my shop, along with the pursuit of improving it. My GI contractor saw was plenty capable of making good cuts, but my hybrid saw offered some advantages that the contractor saw didn’t, and my cabinet saw offers more yet….I plotted, schemed, swapped, sold, saved, and waited along time for the right opportunity to buy my last saw, and I have no regrets.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Shawn Masterson

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#4 posted 09-20-2013 01:27 PM

I agree with the original post 35%. Good tools only make life easier and a great carpenter more productive. I bought a PM66, and I intend to die with the saw. There will never be a logical need to replace it. I have a 20” planer, WHY, because I got a great deal ($675). I may have gotten by with a lunch box (LB), but the 20” will last me longer than 5 LB planers. When people are asking which one it’s because they want to hear what others have experienced. I love a good honest review that has the good, bad, and ugly.

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ShaneA

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#5 posted 09-20-2013 01:33 PM

The table saw threads must really rub you the wrong way? just skip over them and save yourself the heartache. Guys like Knotscott (for example), with the knowledge and patience of a saint seem to be OK with helping out, so no harm no foul.

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Ottacat

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#6 posted 09-20-2013 02:10 PM

I disagree, not everyone will tell you to buy either what they own or their dream tool. Many have overbought and will honestly say so. Others found they bought too little and traded up. It is instructive to know why people make the recommendations they do more so than the recommendations themselves. Asking is the best way to start finding out.

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MrRon

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#7 posted 09-20-2013 03:52 PM

A person should have the best tools available; that way if the project turns out bad, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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eddie

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#8 posted 09-20-2013 03:54 PM

not sure you really need a TS at all just makes it a lot faster and easer ,i just get the best that i can afford , lots of deals out there just gotta look around

-- Jesus Is Alright with me

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CharlieM1958

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#9 posted 09-20-2013 04:00 PM

Like most anything else, it’s all relative. How much space and how much money do you have? What saw do you need and what saw would be nice to have are two different questions.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Dwain

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#10 posted 09-20-2013 04:06 PM

I totally disagree with the original poster. I have read a lot of posts taking into account budget and they are trying to do. I find that most suggestions do say “the best you can afford” which I think is good advice. I don’t hear anyone suggesting sawstops or powermatics in most of these posts. This is a gross overgeneralization.

-- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there is no end to what you CAN'T do

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Rick M.

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#11 posted 09-20-2013 04:45 PM

I sympathize with people who don’t have much money to spend, I was in the same boat when I bought my saw. But after doing some research I decided to stash money in a saw fund and waited an entire year, which seemed like an eternity, but I bought a good saw. That was 15 years ago and I haven’t felt the need to upgrade nor regretted my decision to wait.

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moke

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#12 posted 09-20-2013 05:21 PM

In a way I agree with DKV and in a way I don’t. In so many TS posts there are the Sawstop people and then their arch enemies of those that think the government is launching a conspiracy to force all TS to have that technology. Im not sure where they get the idea the government would ever force us to do something!!! (Obamacare!)
Then there are others that don’t care, and have bought something they really like and recommend that TS based on their experience. Either way these posts are harmless and will most likely continue on as long as this site continues. I for one, will read and occasionally respond as I feel I have something to contribute.

As for not needing expensive or great tools, I again sit on both sides of the fence. If you start out with this hobby as a younger person, most likely you are starting out on a budget and I believe most of us start out with “C” or “D” level tools. If you stay at it, over the years you work your way to “A” or “B” tools. I have done that and your projects seem to be more square fit better, etc as your skill and equipment get better. As with everything in life, this is a maturation process but I feel it is skewed by your level of equipment.
Mike

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JustJoe

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#13 posted 09-20-2013 06:13 PM

Hey all! Long time reader, first time poster here. I saw the title of the thread and thought this is the place to post a quick question. I’m looking for a tablesaw. I won’t bother telling you what I’ll use it for, what I have to spend, my skill-level or even how much space I have to put it in. You guys are so good, you’ll figure it out or die arguing about it. Should I get the Binford 3000 in orange, or the Binford 3000A in blue? I know there are already 24,363,112 threads asking this question, but they are comparing the old Binford 3000 to the new Binford 3000A. Those were tangerine-orange and sky-blue. The ones I’m talking about are carrot-orange and prussian-blue.

Thanks!

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DKV

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#14 posted 09-20-2013 06:16 PM

Justjoe, did you do any research at all prior to posting this…this totally clueless post? Get the fire engine red one. Everyone knows that. What is wrong with you?

-- Have fun and laugh alot. Life can end at any moment. You old guys out there know what I mean...

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JustJoe

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#15 posted 09-20-2013 06:19 PM

I can’t get fire-engine red because only Home Depot sells that one near me, and they won’t take the Harbor Freight 20% off coupon!

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