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Dave11

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355 days ago

Hi. I’d never ordered wood online before, but saw some good reviews here about it, so decided to take a chance. Used one of the well-respected dealers that many here have used, that I won’t name for now.

Shipment came today. I got:

1 piece 8.5” X 13/16 X 44”

3 pieces 8” X 13/16 X 38”

4 pieces 7.75” X 13/16 X 48”

By my figuring, this comes to approx 15.5 bdft. I paid for 20 bdft.

This about a 25% shortage. Is that reasonable? I know for firewood at least, when you pay for a cord, you might get anywhere from a half-cord to a cord and a half, and no one seems to make a fuss (but me).

Is this expected? I wanted a few opinions before I contact the company.

Thanks.


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Grandpa

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#1 posted 355 days ago

I calculate 19.26 bd ft in this package. Multiply the width by the length in inches. divide by 144 sq inches. If the faces are planed then the 13/16 thickness is considered an inch. If the 13/16 is not planed then you got ripped off for 25%. If it is planed then you got a fair deal.

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#2 posted 355 days ago

When I figured it out I come up with about 19.25 bf. I am sure you are paying for 4/4 lumber. The way I figured was width x length x thickness / 144. Thickness in this case I assume is 1”. What is the company name? I dont think they short changed you.

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rrww

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#3 posted 355 days ago

The NHLA has a rule book for the standards used to measure lumber:
http://www.nhla.com/assets/1603/2011rulesbook.pdf

With that being said you have to look at how shorts are measured. This may vary between softwood, hardwood and tropical hardwood – very different.

Just find the species of wood you have and check to see the standard measurement. Then contact the company via e-mail and ask how they tally the wood.

By calculating the actual width and length you posted I came up with 19.26 BD./FT. How did you calculate your footage?

Lumber is calculated at the thickness it was cut at, not the surfaced thickness after machining. So a 12” X 12” X 1/2” thick piece of oak is one board foot – a 12” X 12” X 1” thick piece of oak is also one board foot.

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Dave11

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#4 posted 355 days ago

Oh, my mistake was using the actual dimensions of the wood. It has been planed on both sides (though a couple of pieces have slight bows in them that I don’t think will disappear after planing to 3/4 inch, if that’s what I end up using). It would seem though that you should be paying only for what you actually get. Glad I asked.

I guess though the missing 0.75 bdft is expected?

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bondogaposis

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#5 posted 355 days ago

19.26 bf is correct. Wood is sold by nominal thickness not actual, therefore 13/16 = 1 inch in the weird word of board feet. It is a system that has evolved over several hundred years. When all lumber was rough cut you would get a one inch board green. If it shrunk during storage you still paid for one inch. Then they started drying and planing it. Starting out 1 inch green, then with shrinkage and planer shavings accounted for you get 13/16”. They figured out how to charge for the water and the planer shavings. Of course it is competitive, so prices really are set by the market and I doubt anyone really wants a bucket of water and a pile shavings to go with their lumber.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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rrww

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#6 posted 355 days ago

I would think that trying to find something in their pile that would add the extra .75 without going over wasnt there so you got 19.26.

I would say its the nature of the beast, when we order from the big boys we order say 100 feet and get 112.5 because that is just what they had for wood. They won’t cut a board up to make the measurement. But you pay for the 112.5 that they actually delivered.

Now if you prepay they won’t give you that overage because you already paid.

You also pay for any waste in SLR if you had them do it.

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NiteWalker

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#7 posted 355 days ago

I’d be a bit miffed about almost 1bf shortage.
You paid for 20bf, that should be the minimum, not the goal.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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Dave11

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#8 posted 355 days ago

I too thought they might go over the 20 bdft a bit, just to make sure they weren’t under, but they chose not to, maybe for weight reasons, since it was being shipped. But it was oak and not one of the cheaper woods, so I was a little surprised to be slightly shorted.

Maybe next time I’ll accidentally get 20.75 bdft.

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Tony_S

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#9 posted 355 days ago

Dave

Did you realize you where ordering material that had been surfaced to 13/16”?

I’ve never ordered lumber online personally…..but if I did, and I ordered 4/4, rough sawn or surfaced, and received material less than 1” rough sawn, or 15/16” surfaced…I’d be pissed, and they’d be getting thier lumber back.

-- "The trouble with people idiot-proofing things, is the resulting evolution of the idiot."

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JTJr

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#10 posted 355 days ago

So I’d look at it this way. .75 board feet is about 12” of the 8.5 board.

Would I be miffed at losing 12” on a 44” x 8.5” board. That might be 8 pen blanks. It might be the difference between choosing where you made the cutoff for a measurement, or having no choice but to square the ends by trimming.

I think that I would be a bit miffed.

JT

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Dave11

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#11 posted 354 days ago

Lots of good insight here. There seems to be some disagreement though, with some seeming to say the missing 0.75 bdft is expected (or at least not a big issue) to those saying it would make a difference to them.

At the same time, I’d feel a little strange about calling them to complain about 0.75 bdft missing. So I guess I’ll order from somewhere else next time, and see if I do better.

But this place had overall the best reputation, here and in other places. Maybe it was a fluke.

They do say that the lumber is planed both sides, and is 13/16, so that was disclosed ahead of time. What might be an issue is that a couple pieces have a slight bow, with little room to fix them if I want 3/4 inch pieces.

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Loco

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#12 posted 354 days ago

LOL. 13/16 is an inch. Sounds like a young wives tale….......... ;-)

-- What day is it ? No matter. Ummmm What month is it ? No moron. I paid for a 2 x 6. That means Two inches by six inches. I want the rest of my wood.

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John Ormsby

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#13 posted 354 days ago

1” rough lumber can be surfaced planed to 13/16” and still be considered 1” stock. This is an Industry standard. It costs to surface wood. Rough lumber is also less expensive than surfaced lumber.

The one thing that is not right is that they did not send the complete 20 BF. They should have gone over but never should they send less than what was purchased.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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rjpat

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#14 posted 354 days ago

If the edges were surfaced also, it would be 20.5 BF

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Jeremy Greiner

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#15 posted 354 days ago

When I’ve ordered online, I’ve always ordered from cr muterspaw the wood I get is 4/4 not 13/16 skip planed garbage. And I always get at least 20bf when I get the 20bf package, I’ve also seen packs where they mark “bad sections” and don’t count that towards the board food allotment.

-jeremy

-- Easy to use end grain cutting board designer: http://www.1024studios.com/cuttingboard.html

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