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Forum topic by JoeyG posted 09-06-2013 03:56 PM 870 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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JoeyG

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09-06-2013 03:56 PM

Topic tags/keywords: plane

I have a facebook friend who wants to trade this plane for some of my angelfish. For a very long time I have wanted to get into more of the hand tools than I normally use and this seems like a good chance to start with no out of pocket expense.

My question is, what would I use this plane for” (yes, my head is held down in shame for not knowing.) Second is this a quality tool worth owning or will it turn into a bigger headache than I want. And finally, does anyone know what the value would be for this plane.

Thanks ahead of time for any help I get.

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks


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Loren

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#1 posted 09-06-2013 04:02 PM

Worth about $20 and a useful tool around the house.

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#2 posted 09-06-2013 04:12 PM

Don’t bother unless you are willing to acquire the equipment and the knowledge to properly sharpen this plane. A dull plane is, essentially, worthless. Properly sharpening it takes good equipment and skill.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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mikema

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#3 posted 09-06-2013 04:16 PM

This is smoothing plane, either a #3 or #4 depending on how wise it is. I have seen these sell for anywhere from $20-$40 on ebay. Once the plane is well tuned and the blade is good sharp, it will leave behind a very smooth surface on your work piece. I would say this would be a good start to building your hand plane collection.

-- Mike ---- Visit my woodworking blog: http://sawdustnewbie.com

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shaver

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#4 posted 09-06-2013 04:20 PM

From what I’ve read, the Defiance line was a Homeowner/DIY economy line from Stanley (Like the Stanley Handyman)

I agree with Loren, $10-20

Stanley Defiance/Handyman = Good
Stanley Bailey = Better
Stanley Bedrock = Better/Best

Ask him if he has a Bailey instead :)

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#5 posted 09-06-2013 04:22 PM

+1 to Loren.

Defiance of that vintage was a Stanley line (they bought out the original company) The Defiance planes are a step down from the Bailey line, but most can made into very good users.

Looks to be a #4 size smoothing plane, which is one of the first two planes I would recommend someone starting out to get—the other is a good block plane. A smoother is used for exactly what it sounds like, smoothing out milling and other marks on a board. In most cases a smoothing plane is the last tool to touch the wood prior to finishing. A well sharpened and tuned smoother will leave a finish much finer than any sandpaper.

Welcome to the slippery slope of plane ownership and use, it can become an addiction.

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mikema

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#6 posted 09-06-2013 04:25 PM

To counter Rich’s response, if even if you only have a basic set of chisels, it is worthwhile to get a good sharpening system in place. So sharpening should not stop you from considering hand tools. It does not have to be expensive to get started. You can use the scary sharp method which is esentially sand paper (going up from grit to grit till 2000 or higher if you can find it) on either plate glass or a granite block. It is honestly not that hard to sharpen a blade for a hand plane, it just takes a little practice.

For my sharpening, I started out this way, but I have now bought a couple sharpening stones, that I flatten using low grit sand paper on a granite block. I have a bench top grinder that I only use if the blade needs a completely new edge.

There are other machines out there that will sharpen well, the WorkSharp is on the low end of the price spectrum, and on the high end there are wet grinders like the Tormek.

Don’t let the thought of sharpening the plane stop you from getting it. Simply put, its not that hard, and doesn’t need to be expensive.

-- Mike ---- Visit my woodworking blog: http://sawdustnewbie.com

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#7 posted 09-06-2013 05:25 PM

+1 mikema

Sharpening is science but not rocket science and it can become addictive once you see the results of your sharpening!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#8 posted 09-06-2013 06:29 PM

The sharpening isn’t my concern. I’ve spent hours and hours learning to sharpen my chisels correctly, many of them I’ve made myself from other things for my inlays.

What I am reading is that while this isn’t a top of the line plane, with a little patience it can be a good tool to own. Does that sound about right?

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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#9 posted 09-06-2013 06:52 PM

The thing to avoid in handyman planes is the ones with
the stamped steel frogs. This one looks like it has
a cast iron frog and is probably pretty similar
to a Bailey plane.

Some of the Stanley lines were distinguished by their
warranty. So one line might be similar to another
but have a warranty and was thus sold as a premium
line.

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Loren

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#10 posted 09-06-2013 06:56 PM

A history and the whys of Stanley’s plane line names:

http://virginiatoolworks.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/stanley-vs-bailey-a-short-history/

Stanley had a Defiance line again in the 1920s-1950s. That’s
probably what your plane is.

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#11 posted 09-06-2013 07:01 PM

Trade him for some fish… you wont be sorry!

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JoeyG

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#12 posted 09-06-2013 07:05 PM

Thanks for the info. I think I will trade him. The worse that could happen is I have something to set on a shelf in the shop.

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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#13 posted 09-06-2013 07:06 PM

What I am reading is that while this isn’t a top of the line plane, with a little patience it can be a good tool to own. Does that sound about right?

Yep, that about sums it up. IMHO, many of the Defiance line have a good design. The frogs have a bit less contact area than a Bailey of the same time period, but are very similar to later Bailey designs. They also used stained hardwood as a way to save money, rather than the rosewood of the “premium” Bailey & Bedrock lines.

Tune ‘er up and start making shavings.

-- "My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right." Abraham Lincoln

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JustJoe

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#14 posted 09-06-2013 08:42 PM

Mike says “This is smoothing plane, either a #3 or #4 depending on how wise it is.”

I read to my plane every night, and I take it on field trips to woodworking museums and factories and all sorts of places with names that start with “Ye Olde…” Sundays we debate the pros and cons of hand-tools vs power. It’s developing slowly (It’s a Stanley and they don’t learn as fast as a Millers Falls). It’s only a #4 now, but someday it will wise up and become a big bad #8.

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#15 posted 09-06-2013 08:51 PM

Crackin’ me up Joe.

Thanks for some Friday afternoon levity.

(It’s a Stanley and they don’t learn as fast as a Millers Falls) I love it!!

-- - Terry

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