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groovy_man_6

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09-05-2013 12:35 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question maple finishing traditional

In a rush to finish a recent piece (maple), I quickly stained it with an oil-based stain.

The only way I’ve been able to get a really dark maple color is to FIRST stain it a couple times with transtint dye in water, and THEN stain it with a typical oil-based stain.

Now that I’ve already applied the oil based stain out of order, am I screwed? or do you think I could apply transtint in alcohol/water after the oil-based stain dried?

My guess is that I can’t…

thoughts, experience? suggestions?

thanks in advance Lumberjocks!


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#1 posted 09-05-2013 01:28 AM

Well you could test it out on a small scrap and see.

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#2 posted 09-05-2013 01:41 AM

What is the topcoat?? with the stain set in the wood to bring out some features, you could tint the top coat to get to the dark color?? water after oil… I can answer that, but doesn’t sound good. as don says.. test piece?

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#3 posted 09-05-2013 01:55 AM

Well, I bit the bullet and resanded the piece. I figured that would be easier than trying a bunch of crack pot solutions. another feather in my cap of mistakes!!

Thx again for the suggestions!

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#4 posted 09-05-2013 03:40 AM

Once the oil stain is on the water-based dye isn’t going to work the same as on bare wood. It’s possible to put the TransTint in finish and spray it on as a toner but this isn’t my favorite thing to do if I want to change the color a lot. It starts to look muddy when applied heavily.

I think re-sanding it was a wise move.

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#5 posted 09-05-2013 03:38 PM

What is the project? If it is mostly flat surfaces, you can sand stain off pretty easily. If it is intricate, I would opt to not refinish. Try two coats of stain on a sample board. Otherwise, you can tint the topcoat with universal colorants. 1+ this isn’t my favorite technique, but it works.

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groovy_man_6

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#6 posted 09-05-2013 03:51 PM

Hey Pinto…

It’s an antique cigar table/stand… the portion I screwed up on was primarily flat, with some rounded edges – so I just resaded it and did it the right way… I’m already 2 coats deep in the transtint so it’s going well now that I repented for my mistakes :-)

thanks for the ideas… I’ll squirrel them away for the future!

P

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