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Forum topic by SawdustAndAnIPA posted 09-04-2013 04:30 PM 6128 views 0 times favorited 43 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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09-04-2013 04:30 PM

Topic tags/keywords: jointer joining

Howdy fellow LJs,

I have relied on the LumberJocks Forum for so many great ideas and input over the last two years building out my shop that I thought I would use the recent events in my woodworking as an opportunity to share.

I first want to start by saying that I am a huge fan of Grizzly Tools. I have found them to be a great value and of very high quality. I did a lot of homework prior to choosing Grizzly. Like all of us, I wanted to stretch my dollar. Like most of us, I am a hobbyist and not a professional wood worker so the only way I am going to have an all PowerMatic shop is to win the Woodcraft Giveaway.

I started with my G0513 bandsaw. What an amazing piece of machinery for the money. That led to my 1023RL table saw; also, a great choice. And yesterday, I had the G0490X 8” Parallelogram Jointer with Spiral Head Cutter delivered. I was very excited because this unit is a behemoth! I had no shipping damage, everything was in tip-top shape as I opened my new unit. It was when I started to really look at this new Jointer out of the box that I became dismayed.

Since I have been doing business with Grizzly, a trend has been occurring. Some models of woodworking tools have Taiwan as their country of origin (my bandsaw and my tablesaw), while all of their Jointers (Polar Bear Series or their Standard Line) are all China of Origin. I almost bought a 2HP Dust Collector a couple of months ago but they discontinued it, and now all Dust Collectors that are this model are Polar Bear Only and thus China of origin. So I have refrained from buying a DC yet.

The quality controls and manufacturing of my new Jointer are very different (LOWER) than of my Taiwanese made tools. At least in regard to the finishing and powder coat. My bandsaw and table saw both have an outstanding finish and attention to detail. My new jointer on the other hand was hastily finished, run through the assembly line to be powder coat as quickly as possible and this lack of quality control absolutely shows. There are huge paint drips and runs in every corner of the base and a very large and unsightly drip running down the very center of base. These drips were not cleaned up and allowed to dry. Rather, they ran the unit through the powder coat process and now these unsightly drips are permanent. Needless to say, I was pretty upset about the finish quality of this new jointer.

My wife has since calmed me down. If I wanted a beautiful finish and paint job, I would/should of spent alot more money. Will the drips and runs in the finish affect the jointer’s ability to make straight boards or square a side? If the thing weighed a hundred pounds I would send it back. But the beast weighs more than 500 and it is more than I can muscle to re-palletize, re-box, and ship this thing back. I am not going to have tours of woodshop and only I will see these flaws. However I was spoiled by my previous Grizzly purchases and when you spend perfectly good money, you like to see it used wisely.

I only have a dust collector and a lathe left to buy for the shop. I will certainly review all of my options for these remaining purchases. I know every manufacturer is trending to China but I gotta believe someone there can identify a drip when they see one. I am calling Tech-Support today and I know Grizzly will do their best to help, after all their service has been superb. However, don’t ask me anytime soon how I like my new jointer – I will be a little raw for awhile.

-- What Is The Matrix? The Matrix Is All Around Us...It Is Your Table Saw Connected To The Internet.

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#1 posted 09-04-2013 05:12 PM

My 1000lb Italian made stroke sander has runs in the paint.
I bought it used but it’s retail price was equivalent to a whole
home shop full of Grizzly machines.

I’d say get over it. If you want aesthetically perfect machines,
get machines from Europe but watch out for the Italians
because their engineering is good but the paint
jobs not so great.

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#2 posted 09-04-2013 06:01 PM

Really? I always thought the worth of a tool was on how it performed, not the quality of the paint job.

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#3 posted 09-04-2013 07:05 PM

SawdustAndAnIPA – I say, stick to your guns, contact Grizzly customer service, and demand a rebate that would make your jointer the same price as the paint blemish models they occasionally sell as specials.

Quality is a perception as much as a reality – and you are paying for this quality, perceived and actual. I work in the automotive industry – see if anyone on this forum would accept a paint blemish on his car and say, “it has nothing to do with functionality…” Though machinery does not have, what in automotive is called a “Class ‘A’ finish”, the customer should not be made to accept severe blemishes.

Good luck, and let us know what transpires.

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#4 posted 09-04-2013 07:20 PM

I’ve actually noticed the difference in my 1023RL vs my g0490 as well, but it doesnt bother me.

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#5 posted 09-04-2013 07:25 PM

lumbermeister got it right no one should have to accept paint that looks like that.

I look at it this way- If I have runs in my table tops and send one out the customer calls and is made do I say “it still works just fine”. That’s not reality – your paying for the complete package and how the paint looks is part of what your paying for. I wouldn’t expect it to be 100% perfect, but it should look good at 5 feet.

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#6 posted 09-04-2013 07:33 PM

A paint blemish on a new tool would honestly tun off or disappoint a lot of people whether we want to admit it or not but if it functions properly and there’s no other issues with it I would ignore it .

With all the thing could have gone wrong with damage during shipment,missing broken parts,etc,a paint blemish is the least important reason for me to complain about.Just go in your shop and enjoy using it,Tomorrow you won’t even see it under all the sawdust.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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#7 posted 09-04-2013 07:44 PM

I buy little if anything that is made in China.
I was greatly disappointed when I got a response from Baileigh Tools informing me that their tools are made in “their” plants in China.
If I wanted low quality from China, I can shop at Harbor Freight.

I would say the paint should look good all over the entire piece of equipment. If not, it is defective.
I would wonder what else was done in a hurry.

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#8 posted 09-04-2013 08:05 PM

The paint runs would aggravate me too but I’ve always understood that Grizzly is a compromise brand; good quality but inconsistent QC.

-- Rick M,

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#9 posted 09-04-2013 09:50 PM

Paint defects may be an indication of poor QC, but not to the tool overall. If they want to cut down on cost, the paint department would be the best place to start. As long as the machine functions as it should, paint would be the least of my concerns.

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#10 posted 09-04-2013 10:27 PM

I am a retired painter. It is not that hard to apply paint properly. And if errors are made, they are easy to fix. Besides corrosion control and hiding blemishes, the paint job sells the product. If a company cannot get the painting right, I would worry about the rest of the product.

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#11 posted 09-04-2013 10:36 PM

I STILL love Grizzly. Like Loren says… ”get over it.”

My Grizzly tools/machines run just fine.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#12 posted 09-04-2013 10:40 PM

my Grizzly 490 had a few dings on it when it was unboxed but when I set it up it cuts great, once again these are production run machines they will have flaws, if you want perfect shell out about 20 grand for a custom built 8in jointer and it will be flawless, all my Grizzly tools rock THEY ROAR FOR MORE WOOD

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#13 posted 09-04-2013 10:41 PM

Machines from Japan tend to have great-looking paint,
but guess what? It’s not thick. Even in a humid country
like Japan they don’t put it on thick.

I’d rather have the paint on thick with errors than
thin and perfect. I have a bandsaw from Japan and
it looks like it has a skin disease. It was originally sold
from a dealer in Hawaii where it probably acquired most
of the rust problem.

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#14 posted 09-04-2013 10:48 PM

If paint quality is low there is a good chance that the other QC’s are lacking.

-- Thor and Odin are still the greatest of Gods.

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#15 posted 09-04-2013 11:09 PM

”I STILL love Grizzly. Like Loren says… ”get over it.” ”

”if you want perfect shell out about 20 grand for a custom built 8in jointer and it will be flawless”

To all who share such sentiments… Why, oh why, has Grizzly offered discounts on machines that have paint blemishes but are otherwise in perfect working order? Why should we accept lower standards of quality on a less expensive machine!

I challenge anyone – Go find someone on this forum who will accept a car, say a Toyota or Ford, replete with paint blemishes, who will then be satisfied if the dealer says, “Hey, if you want quality, get a Lexus/Lincoln!”

Many of us love Grizzly. But that does not excuse them from having to continuously improve their product (which they are certainly doing).

I also believe it is in Griizzly’s interest to prevent these defects, as it suggests a paint process that is out of control. How much $$ is lost due to scrap at the paint line? And how good of an advertisement is this for Grizzly when visitors to SawdustAndAnIPA’s shop see blemishes on Grizzly equipment? Or prospective purchasers see forum topics such as this?

Fellow Lumberjocks – nobody should be criticized for holding a manufacturer to higher standards, to demanding that they get it right the first time (and fix or compensate when it is wrong). The best way to assure that we continue to receive better quality equipment, regardless of price point, is to not accept substandard work..

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