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08-29-2013 11:06 PM

There are hundreds (?) of plane enthusiasts on this site. About the only plane I use on almost every project is my Stanley block plane (G12-060) given to me by my father in law. It needed some work. Now, the sole is flat and the blade is sharp. I use it for fine shavings during fittings. Here’s my question. If the sole is absolutely flat and the blade will shave the hair on my arm why do people buy Veritas and Lee Nielson block planes? Are they that much better for the price? Are they automated? Can I tell them what to do and come back later? Do they shave whispier whisps? Can I make the sole flatter than flat? What is it I’m missing? Help me understand.

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#1 posted 08-29-2013 11:18 PM

#1 You always put a plane down on it side, not with the blade touching the work bench.

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#2 posted 08-29-2013 11:18 PM

I’ve got one of those, great little plane. As for Veritas and Lie Nielson… I guess I don’t get it either.

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#3 posted 08-29-2013 11:24 PM

Madts, if I told you I retracted the blade would you believe me?

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#4 posted 08-29-2013 11:30 PM

Oh no, is it time for Thursday Night Fights already?
I’ve got 14 block planes in the shop and another 6 here in the home office. One is a LN – a 2004ish model with the open sides and bronze knuckle cap. It stays sharp as long as my favorites (the stanley 60-1/2s) but the LN is the only one that sings to me when I walk in the shop in the morning. It turns off the coffee pot if I forget at night. One time I bumped the shelf and it fell off, slid across a pile of rough walnut and planed it down to a perfect 3/4” before landing gently in a pile of its own shavings. I admit I didn’t need another block plane when I bought it, but it had a bronze knuckle cap and I needed a little bling in my workshop. Heck, if they made the Sawstop with a bronze fence, I’d be all over it.

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EDIT: And yes, I do have a 2004ish LN block plane and I like it, but it’s not my favorite block plane.

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#5 posted 08-30-2013 12:09 AM

The only justification for spending all that is for the bling factor and its supposedly needs no tuning out of the box besides a quick hone. Plus brass tends to just brown when exposed to moist air and not rust as bad as a steel cap. Plus there is no nickle to chip of on them.

The LV planes have a few innovations like the blade set screws and you can get fancy blades for them. As for the LN planes brass is more dense than steel so if you like a plane with some heft to them it would be a consideration. They also tend to have adjustments that behave and are smoother.

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#6 posted 08-30-2013 12:19 AM

My reason:

DKV said: ”It needed some work”

My Veritas block plane didn’t.

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#7 posted 08-30-2013 12:20 AM

It’s not brass, it’s Manganese Bronze . Bronze baby! Handplanes are retro. The bronze age came before the iron age. You wanna be authentic you gotta get the bronze. I’m working on a line of granite and flint planes to take us back to the stone-age and then I’ll be knocking LN off its high horse. Coming soon to a website near you – the JustJoe #60-1/2, low-angle adjustable mouth done in granite with italian marble knob and lever cap and a 1/8” flint blade. $395. ($325 for founders’s club members).

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#8 posted 08-30-2013 12:21 AM

It is like the age old Rolex/Timex debate.

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#9 posted 08-30-2013 12:22 AM

Well I have a mixture of new and old planes…. All of my larger planes are very old Stanley planes while my block plane and shoulder planes are LN. They were perfect out of the box no tuning required and and now fighting with someone on ebay that mis-represented their product. yes that was a little jab…

That having been said… In all honesty it depends on where you want to spend your time. when you buy the tool do you wish to spend time tuning it or just going to work? This is a question/argument that has come up on many subjects; I dare you to post a forum question asking if it’s better to build or buy a jig.

I’m glad I bought my old stanley’s because of what I learned about planes during the process of tuning them. But, after having done that several times I don’t need to do it anymore…

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#10 posted 08-30-2013 12:34 AM

Chris/Knock, once the sole is flat the sole is flat. We both have to sharpen every so often. I am waiting for the automation…then I will buy LN or LV.

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#11 posted 08-30-2013 01:17 AM

Subjective of course. Same questions/analogy could be made to all products. A Ford Pinto drives, a Porsche drives too. Are they the same then? Probably comes down to a time vs money equation to some people. If you spend a bit more, you may have to put less time into it. If have time, and less money to spend, maybe its worth it to put a bit of time into it. Whatever floats your boat….or yacht.

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#12 posted 08-30-2013 03:20 AM

I have 3 of the Stanley 60 1/2’s, All purchased used, all needed a little work. I’ve had them around for 20+ years. I keep some extra blades so that I don’t have to sharpen often (not very fond of the chore.) I use a few other planes; #3, #5 and #7, ebay has made multiples affordable. I’ve taken good care of these tools, and they serve me well.

My plane till is not the center of my shop. I’ve not installed any track lighting to highlight these planes as works of art. They are very useful tools, sitting proudly in the plywood/scrap till I made for them, waiting for the call to duty.

This is the choice I have made. This is a very cool time to be alive, we have many choices.

To each his own

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#13 posted 08-30-2013 03:24 AM

Quality tools are nice to use. If find the right vintage old tool they fit the bill. I have a LN 60 1/2 and a Stanley 65 with a hock blade. Like the Stanley better. Both are excellent tools.

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#14 posted 08-30-2013 03:29 AM

Quality. Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. I think of it this way- Lie Nielsen makes planes today the way Stanley made planes prior to WWII: the best way possible. And to buy US quality takes $.

I own one LN plane (and many, many old Stanleys).

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#15 posted 08-30-2013 03:32 AM

+1 to Smitty.

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