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GSB56

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08-27-2013 06:13 AM

Hi, This is my first post, so bear with me as I try to ask my first question. I am a recent retiree and want to spend much more time doing woodworking in my basement and I am ready to buy the one tool for now, but I am not sure what to go with. I currently own a 10 inch Crafstman table saw, 1.5 hp and a 12 inch Crafstman bandsaw amongst other tools and I don’t have any dust collection capability other than a shop vac.
My first reaction was to buy a dust collection system and wanted to go ahead with the Oneida Air V3000 system with the appropriate duct work system. This will come to approximately $4,000.
But I now have doubts about my decision as I am wondering if I would not be better off to buy either a sawstop 3hp table saw or the 14SUV bandsaw from Laguna. I probably could add a very small dust collector or an air filtration system with either purchase (around $400).
Can I have your opinion on what your choice would be?
Thanks!


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knotscott

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#1 posted 08-27-2013 09:16 AM

Welcome to LJ’s. What to get often depends on what you do. A scroller’s needs are different than a turner’s, and both are different than furniture makers and cabinet makers. Do you have 220v in your shop? (it makes a difference in what you can buy)

A decent DC system is always a good choice, but you may not need an overly elaborate system….I doubt most of us sink that much into it, but I’m sure some do. I’ve been happy with just a basic 2hp Grizzly DC system for 10 years.

Saw Stop makes some fine saws, but the good ones tend to be north of $2500….the flesh sensing technology is great, but the saw will provide the same capability as your old saw. The basic bones of those old Cman saw are usually pretty good..with a decent fence, good alignment, and a good blade, it’ll cut well….here’s my blog on the basic table saw types….it might help you decide if you need or want more saw.

I didn’t notice a router in your collection, which would definitely be the next tool I’d add to the arsenal….a router is THE most versatile tool in the shop. I’d also be looking to add a planer and/or jointer if you work with much dimensional lumber.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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grizzlymunchin

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#2 posted 08-27-2013 10:02 AM

I think a combo machine jointer planer, bandsaw, and dust collection can be had for 4000.00 and maybe even dust collection also and maybe even a nice router get the Colt plunge or Dewalt plunge in 1 1/4 hp and maybe a 3hp Bosch and you will be set, I use my Colt more than any other router but just take your time shop around you will get plenty of great advice on Lumberjocks enjoy your time in the sun and make some sawdust

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kizerpea

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#3 posted 08-27-2013 12:06 PM

Depends on what kind of collection you want….use the LJs search dust collectors or cyclones …a lot of us use the harbor freight collector or build our own system..i built mine for less than $600..in my projects…some guys have the grizz…captferd has a nice set up in his projects to…as do other LJs..

-- IF YOUR NOT MAKING DUST...YOU ARE COLLECTING IT! SOUTH CAROLINA.

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Shawn Masterson

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#4 posted 08-27-2013 04:24 PM

I have a homebrew 3hp cyclone system. If I had it to do over again I think I would have done the HF 2hp with the top hat until I had the cash for a clearvue. I agree with knotscot on the tool you have. $4k buy a lot of tools especially in the CL market. I would be look at a planer, jointer, or a lathe. It really depends on you interest. I have recently been bitten by the turning bug. remember to have fun and you don’t have to have the top of the line tool to make great stuff.

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WayneC

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#5 posted 08-27-2013 04:31 PM

Work bench and nice hand tools is another way to go. No need for dust collection. :)

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Blackie_

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#6 posted 08-27-2013 05:06 PM

Knotscott has great points I think it all depends on what area of woodworking interest you, myself also a retiree I started off in cabinet building but quickly found it’s way to much work aside my shop wasn’t big enough I now have found my niche in box making, love it. A 14” or larger bandsaw would be great if you want to mill your own boards, save in over head on wood, I have the Grizz GO555P with a riser that does great!sounds like you are ready to spend $4K there’s a lot you can buy with that amount that doesn’t have to go to one item and still have a decent DC along with tools, I am very careful of what I buy from HF but I found their DC system ( it’s the only thing that I own from HF ) to meet my needs you should also look at the Grizzly line of equipment.

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agallant

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#7 posted 08-27-2013 05:14 PM

I am not sure if I would spend 4K on dust collection. I would go with a 3HP table saw and a dust collect from HF or Grizzle. SawStop is great. Don’t get the contractor saw get the cabinate saw if you decide to go that route.

If it were my money I would get a grizzly 14” band saw, 3HP table saw, and a dust collector.

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CharlesA

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#8 posted 08-27-2013 05:15 PM

Personally, I wouldn’t go for a top flight, expensive dust collection system until I was producing a lot of sawdust. Since you have a workable table saw and bandsaw, I’d go:
Better fence on table saw (I have the Shop Fox Classic)
Router and router table (agree it is very versatile—I use mine all the time)
planer
A good cordless drill and dedicated driver (I find 12v cordless to have all the strength I need for vast majority of tasks. I have a corded drill for more complicated work)
Drill press
Decent Dust collection system (not over $500)

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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GSB56

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#9 posted 08-27-2013 05:45 PM

Thank you for the responses. I really like the suggestions and I realize now my question wasn’t very complete. In trying to be as concise as possible, I omitted to talk about the other tools I own. I have other tools such as a 6 inch Craftsman jointer, a 13 inch Dewalt planer, a 10 inch Craftsman radial arm saw (220v) and my current table saw is running on 220v, eventhough it is only a 1.5hp. I also own a few routers, including a home made router table. I also have a Dewalt scrollsaw. It is surprising to see how quickly $4k can be spent when you are considering high end tools. The 3hp Sawstop with a 36 inch table sells for $3290 here in Ottawa, Canada. This doesn’t take into account the dado insert and cartridge as well as the mobile base, which including tax, would bring it close to $4K. I do like Blackie’s suggestion to consider a more powerful bandsaw as I am also looking at builidng small boxes. Not an easy decision…

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CharlesA

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#10 posted 08-27-2013 05:53 PM

In your defense, I think I was also thinking of another thread where someone is just getting started.

If I had the $’s, I’d buy a top flight sawstop. Knowing that the tool most likely to cut my finger off is rendered incapable of doing that would be my first priority. I know they are priced at a premium, but one finger saved is worth it (both physically and economically). I’d put that ahead of a top flight DC.

I’m still puttering on my older craftsman, but a sawstop is in my future.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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Woodbum

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#11 posted 08-27-2013 08:00 PM

Welcome to LJ’s, You’ll find that we are a friendly but an opinionated bunch. We all have our own preferences, techniques and methods.
For $4k you could buy a smaller dust collection system that is expandable in the future, and a whole s*load of good routers, bits, cordless drills, bits and hand tools etc, or a couple of good griz stationary tools like a bigger bandsaw as was suggested, or a decent drill press which was not mentioned ( maybe it was, but I am getting old) . I upgraded from an ‘85 model Craftsman TS to a 1023 Griz and never looked back or regretted it. I would have a hard time justifying spending $4K on a dust collection system when so many other tools are lacking. Just my opinion and I could be wrong! Naaaah!

-- Improvidus, Apto quod Victum-- Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

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GSB56

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#12 posted 08-27-2013 08:04 PM

Great, thanks Charles. I am definitely leaning towards the Sawstop. I will look into a small dust collector as my next purchase as suggested by many of you.

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dbhost

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#13 posted 08-27-2013 08:26 PM

I wouldn’t worry too much about the band saw, and honestly, Laguna saws look nice, but look around at the forums. It seems a lot of folks have trouble with them, and their customer service is lackluster at best.

Now if I were in your shoes with a 4K tool budget, I would probably lean toward…

#1. Sawstop. While I despise the inventors business methods, I like the machine, and love my fingers… #2. You should have at least $800.00 left.

Do some digging for coupons or sales, and you can get a Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector for about $160.00 or less. I got mine probably 4 years ago now for about $120.00 but prices on everything have shot up since then…

Add a Wynn spun bond filter to that, and a 10’ hunk of flex hose, and simply use the dust collector machine to machine…

You will want to build ahie Thien Baffle to your collector to keep the flow up.

Just move the small DC machine to machine until you can afford the DC you really want.

FWIW, I have that same DC, and filter with a Thien built into a barrel separator, and a Grizzly ambient air filter. I wish I had a particulate meter, but I can tell you this, the dust in the shop is well controlled compared to using a shop vac…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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