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08-16-2013 10:13 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question plane stanley no 4

So I just bought my first stanley hand planes (got a 2 for 1 essentially) off of ebay. I’m feeling pretty darn good about it. I bought it for the Stanley No.4 but it comes with a Stanley Handyman too (ok, party, bonus). Got em both for ~$40 including shipping. **Update: Don brought it to my attn that the left side of the No 4 has a huge chip cracked off. I didnt notice that when I bought it, but I’m gonna try to use it anyhow.

My question is this: I was doing my research using the RexMill Stanley bench plane type study (great resource), and zeroed in on the Type 13 model from years 1925-1928 due to the following:

Single patent date on plane bottom (APR-19-10)
Absence of raised knob ring on plane bottom (final model before they added that)
“Stanley SW Made in USA” embossed on the Blade

HOWEVER, according to my research, the Lever Cap should have STANLEY embossed on it as well, but as you can see in the pictures, its free of any logo on the lever cap.

Is is possible that the lever cap is from a previous year, and I am correct in my typing this as the 1925-1928 model?
Or did they also use blank lever caps for this model?

-- Joseph, Lake Forest, CA, http://instagram.com/palas_woodcraft#


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#1 posted 08-16-2013 10:32 PM

Lever cap would not be typical of a T 13. Happens all the time. Nice looking plane still.

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#2 posted 08-16-2013 10:39 PM

isn’t the left side broke to?

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#3 posted 08-16-2013 10:41 PM

Hey Don, I guess you’re right. But I’m not collecting, i bought it for use.

Thanks for seeing that.

-- Joseph, Lake Forest, CA, http://instagram.com/palas_woodcraft#

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#4 posted 08-16-2013 10:45 PM

did you know that when you bought it? User or collector, that decreases the value substantially. And depending how its broke, it will continue to break until its of no value except parts.

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#5 posted 08-16-2013 11:20 PM

I know we’re supposed to be supportive of each other here on LJ. I should be saying “yea, cool, you got some new planes!” But I have to jump in here with Don but a bit edgier…

You got screwed. You wasted $40. If the plane was like that in the picture you should have run away. If the defect was hidden you should be yelling at the seller, leaving negative feedback, sending your big brother Vinnie to break a few legs.

The handyman is a plane, nothing special. With some work you can tune it up and it will cut but it is at best a $12-15 plane including postage.

That big a blowout on the #4 means that it’s collector value is 0. Its user value is close to zero. If it was a small chip or chunk missing you could use it without worry, but that much missing means the left side is weakened, so is the bottom left near the mouth. It might work good today, and then break in half when you lay it on the shelf or hit a patch of wild grain. It might snap in half when you’re trying to lock down the lever cap someday after sharpening the iron. It will break, it’s just a matter of time.

If you sell on feebay, you can try parting it out. The wood looks real nice, and you’ve got a lever-cap, chipbreaker, iron and frog. You may be able to get a lot of your money back selling them piece by piece. Or you can put it on a shelf to remind you to be very vigilant when looking at online auctions. If you’re lucky, someday a #4 body of the correct era will come along with no other parts (I’ve got 3-4, but I don’t think any are that old.) and you can swap everything over and then have a solid user.

Hopefully you’re able to tune up the handyman easily, and I hope this doesn’t turn you off to old-tools.

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#6 posted 08-16-2013 11:22 PM

No I didnt notice that. Feeling a bit sheepish, but we’ll see how it looks when its delivered. But cmon, for 40 bucks, even if its falls apart tomorrow, I still have the handyman, and as you said, parts, and a lesson learned.

And value, in my opinion, is defined as the use I get out of it versus the cost I paid for it, not how much someone else is willing to pay for it.

If you’re a big time collector, then I see where you’re coming from, but to a novice woodworker like me, i’m still stoked to get it.

Looks like a clean break to me, though. Here’s hoping.

-- Joseph, Lake Forest, CA, http://instagram.com/palas_woodcraft#

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#7 posted 08-16-2013 11:32 PM

@Justjoe: I appreciate your “edgier” response

I tend to go off half-cocked sometimes, but I’ll wait until I get it to see.

No, the pictures were posted, but he didnt mention it in the written description, but hey, buyer beware.

40 bucks isnt a lot, lets be real. $25 buy it now, 15 shipping. Ehh. Chalk it up to another hasty purchase from an impulsive buyer.

This post wasnt meant to be about how badly I got screwed, I was just asking about the lever cap. But its better I find out now, then being unpleasantly surprised when I open it up.

By the way, since you seem to know about hand planes, does the blade, frog or lever cap rest up against the plane bottom sides with pressure?; i thought its just downward pressure on the bottom. If not, I can probably get some use out of it still. I’m in the early learning phase of my skills, so its all good.

-- Joseph, Lake Forest, CA, http://instagram.com/palas_woodcraft#

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#8 posted 08-16-2013 11:39 PM

There is no pressure on the sides. It should make a user. If it wasn’t clear I’d bitch to the seller. A break like that should have been clearly identified.

You can probably find a new base at some.point, but that’s going to be $10 plus shipping.

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#9 posted 08-16-2013 11:47 PM

Thanks Don for answering.

I dont mind spending 10 or 20 bucks to get a good bottom then, maybe I will try to restore it someday.

But for now, its gonna be a lot better than the Ace hardware 7” block plane I bought a few months back.

-- Joseph, Lake Forest, CA, http://instagram.com/palas_woodcraft#

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#10 posted 08-16-2013 11:49 PM

It should.work fine. Turn the handyman into a jack.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#11 posted 08-17-2013 12:00 AM

palaswood, I have been having some planes come in to the shop lately.
I may have a #4 Stanley. I like Sargents so I’m not really into the Stanley Baileys.
I will look to see after mowing is done tomorrow. I will be happy to send you a #4 base if I have one, for no more than flat rate shipping.
I will want to keep the other pieces to use to build frankenplanes or something.

I’m sure that if I do happen to have one, it probably won’t be a type 13, but you pays your nickel and you takes your chance.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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#12 posted 08-17-2013 12:21 AM

@Don – How do I go about doing that? Turning the handyman into a jack plane. And what is the difference between a smoothing plane and a jack anyhow?

@Dallas, you’re a saint. If you do have one, then that would be grand – I’d love it. If not, then I really appreciate the thought.

I get the feeling that there is a lot I can learn from you all. If you find it, message me and we can work out the details.

Cool.

-- Joseph, Lake Forest, CA, http://instagram.com/palas_woodcraft#

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#13 posted 08-17-2013 12:24 AM

Here some help to make sure the base will work. Match up the frog bases.

http://www.antique-used-tools.com/Bailey4_5FrogCompare.jpg

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#14 posted 08-17-2013 12:41 AM

I don’t know much about hand planes yet. I’m still working on Disston saws and trying to learn the different terms.
I also have problems with the chewing gum and then which foot to start walking with thing.

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#15 posted 08-17-2013 01:06 AM

I can help with the hand plane thing but have the same chewing gum foot forward problem.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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