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firstbase

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08-16-2013 04:14 PM

Hi to all, need your comments on my saw choice! Have some experience with woodworking but by no means anything beyond a home hobbyist. Rebuilding my tool collection after getting rid of everything to live i the city for 7-8 years. Now in a place where I can spend all the money again! To me table saw is the centerpiece and I am one to overbuy. My experience is that you generally need more than you buy, your skills elevate to that of the tool/instrument and better built lasts a long time. As for projects, I would like to say that I’m going to build all new kitchen cabinets….but i won’t. I will build bookshelves, an entertainment cente, garage cabinets, outside play areas for grandkids, add hardwood floors, etc. Biggest project would be building at 12 X24 shed out back for my REAL shop. So…..which table saw? I have both 110v and 220v available. I have looked and read about everything I can get to online and have narrowed it down from all of the know suspect companies from PM, Jet, Baileigh, etc. to Grizzly units. They just seem to give the best bang for the buck. The bottom end that I am looking at is the G0715P. Had a Jet contractor in the past and like the simple dust diminishing feature of having a full cabinet on the G0715. However, I’m not afraid of spending more and getting big, better, more accurate maybe? Either the G0690 or the G1023 series. I like the 1023 with the router extension as a router/table is probably next on the list. However, I can add it to any TS or make/buy a dedicated router table. So…..I started out looking at portables….moved up to contractors…now into the cabinet saws. What is big/bad enough? Given my home hobby skills and focus would movingup to the G0690 or 1023 series be overkill and a waste of money? Your thoughts? I appreciate quality and knowing I have the tools to do what I may not ever do if that makes sense…....it just feels better knowing that the only thing holding me back is my skill level not my tools! And then again, maybe I am off base. Maybe a good solid contractors saw with a sheet thrown around the base to hold the dust in would fit my situation just fine and leave me more money for other things. What to do…what to do….!

Thanks again!


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JustJoe

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#1 posted 08-16-2013 04:18 PM

Biggest project would be building at 12 X24 shed out back for my REAL shop. So…..which table saw?
Tablesaw isn’t the first tool to come to mind when putting together a building of any size, so take that out of the equation.

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#2 posted 08-16-2013 04:36 PM

You consider the TS to be the centerpiece of the shop (I concur), and you have 220v…..so, if you can spend another couple hundred bucks without killing the budget, without question I’d opt for the G1023RL or the G0690…one of the best bangs for the buck going in new saws IMO. (You can get the G1023RLW if you want the router table, but stand alone is a better option if you have the space. ) The 3hp cabinet saws not only offer more power, they’re far more substantial under the hood. Granted, it’s more than what most hobbyists need, but if you’re going to spend near $1K (or more) for a hybrid, why not step up to the next class of saw for ~ $1350? A good used saw is always an option too.

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#3 posted 08-16-2013 04:53 PM

Insert my usual obligatory “have you considered a track saw instead?” suggestion here. Especially since your first task is carpentry, and a track saw coupled with a setup like the Festool MFT also doubles as a competent miter saw.

And track saws absolutely rock for sheet goods for doing things like cabinets, shelves, entertainment centers and the like (I’ll be building kitchen cabinets this weekend, including ripping the edging strips).

You have to re-think how you work a bit, and there are some cuts you can’t make easily with a track saw that you can with a tablesaw (and vice versa). It’s probably no cheaper. But I think it’s safer, it works nicely in a small shop, and I think is better for sheet goods.

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#4 posted 08-16-2013 05:03 PM

I recently updated my shop to the G0690 TS. I had done a lot of research before making the purchase and am very satisfied. I had a Jet 3hp cabinet saw, but wanted a new saw with a riving knife. I also added the Incra LS52-TS fence and rail system, but you don’t need that for normal, everyday shop work.

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firstbase

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#5 posted 08-16-2013 08:14 PM

Thanks, I think right now I am leaning toward the G0690. Just feels like the right one and given my skills and projects how far off can I be? No router extension but it can be added or I can always go the dedicated table “route”. Sorry. That was bad. I don’t see a real serious difference between it and the G1023 series or at least anything that would impact me to any extent.

I’m in South Florida and TS that I can actually look at and touch are few and far between. Actually not even a few…NONE. Have to do this all by internet.

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knotscott

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#6 posted 08-16-2013 08:43 PM

Here are the differences between the G1023RL and the G0690 that I know of….the 1023 is made in Taiwan, has the Shop Fox Classic (Beise clone) fence, a generic 3hp motor, the blade lift is done via a vertical elevation screw held in place with dovetail ways, it uses a large serpentine drive belt, has a dust shroud and DC port at the back of the saw. The G0690 is made in China, has a different generic Biese clone fence, an Asian made Leeson 3hp motor, the blade is mounted at the end of a more traditional swing arm, uses a more traditional triple v-belt drive system, and the DC port exits to the right of the saw….there’s no blade shroud. The G0690 has 30” stock rip capacity to the right, and the G1023RL has 26” rip capacity….the rails can be easily slid farther to the right to gain ~ 10” more rip capacity on the right, or both are available with extra long rails for 50”+ capacity.

Each of those differences have pros and cons. I personally like the design updates of the G1023RL “in theory”, but I don’t have hands on experience with them. I can say that my Shop Fox W1677 (G1023SL) style saw has the traditional swing arm and triple v-belts more like the G0690, and it works great….it’s closer to the original Unisaw design that’s been highly copied. Both are apparently effective designs, and are well proven enough that any issues would have come to light by now….I’ve heard of no systemic type issues, and very few negatives overall. Several long time respected members here own these saws….. Horizontal Mike (and many others) love their G0690’s….like-wise, MT Stringer (and many others) love the G1023RL series saws. It’s hard to imagine not being happy with either.

Grizzly has videos of both saws online, online manuals, and a nifty comparison chart that may help give you more insights.

G0690/G0691 trunnions:

G1023RL/RLW/RLX trunnions:

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toolie

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#7 posted 08-16-2013 08:53 PM

and for the contrarian POV, i had a unisaw (briefly) that i rehabbed so i could see what all the “3 hp cabinet saw/”old arn” unisaw” hoopla was all about. once finished, my unisaw ran smoothly, quietly and powerfully with it’s OEM 3 hp dual voltage baldor motor. in the end, i opted to sell it and retain two emerson electric built CI contractor TSs. i know….heresy, right? but for my WW needs, there’s very little in a hobbyists shop that a good 1.5 hp CI contractor saw with a sharp carbide blade sporting the correct number of teeth and hook angle can’t handle. these lesser saws can’t do it all day long for days on end, but, if it’s a hobbyists shop, that’s not going to be the order of the day.

so consider the possibility of a good used saw or something like a ridgid 4512 or a similar offering from steel city tools. what you don’t overspend buying overcapacity in a TS is available for other tools.

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#8 posted 08-16-2013 09:44 PM

I would have to recommend the Jet 3 hp saw. I’ve had one for over 20 years and it has never let me down. I replaced the 3 belts, but thats all. I believe that when you have a 3 hp cabinet saw, you will never need another saw. I believe Jet would be considered top of the line of all Asian made saws and that includes PM, Grizzly, Delta, Saw stop, etc.

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#9 posted 08-16-2013 09:45 PM

I bought a 5hp unisaw 52” a about 2 years ago. I would not trade it for any saw. It has been a dream to use and I know my kids and grand kids will be using when I no longer can. A tablesaw still comes down to a personal decision go with what you feel would be best saw.

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firstbase

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#10 posted 08-16-2013 10:25 PM

Well, I decided on the G0690 and call Grizzly to ask a couple of questions on payment, shipping, etc. When I go to the shipping I told them that I have a 250 ft gravel driveway and would it be possible for the truck to….”No”. Going to deliver it curbside and thats it. You get it up the drive and into the garage. OK, I sort of knew this going in, the delivery scenario, but I thought that maybe they would be a little more open or optimistic on getting it close ot my garage. Oh no,don’t even think about it. So….I am figuring that part out. I do have a pickup that I could maybe back up to the liftgate and push it over on to the bed then drive it up to the garage and use a ramp of some of ramp to get it off. That would seem to work but Grizzly didn’t sound very optimistic about my being able to get it in the truck from the liftgate…..maybe rent a pallet lft? Can you rent those?

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#11 posted 08-16-2013 10:25 PM

MrRon said: ” I believe Jet would be considered top of the line of all Asian made saws and that includes PM, Grizzly, Delta, Saw stop, etc.”

I respect your affection for your saw, but Jet’s parent company would disagree with you on your rankings. Powermatic and Jet are both owned by WMH, and they clearly market the Powermatic line above Jet….that doesn’t mean that YOU can’t like it better though! ;-)

firstbase – AFAIK, Grizzly will deliver to the truck terminal of your choice, or a local business with a loading dock….or pick up at the trucking company’s dock. Off loading from a dock to your truck shouldn’t be too bad. It shouldn’t be that tough to go from the back of the truck to your pickup truck either if you were to meet them at the end of the driveway….a couple of 2×12’s for a ramp might do it. Bottom line, I have no doubt you’ll work out a solution.

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firstbase

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#12 posted 08-16-2013 10:46 PM

Yes, I will figure it out just surprised me with the attitude. I guess they have to take a pretty hard line stance on it to prevent the “well she told me” disasters. Never gave much thought to how much weight my tailgate can take. Better go check I guess! MrRon, I had a Jet 20 or so years ago and I loved it. My question is whether or not that saw or the one you have are the same that I would get today. I did my comparisons and still like the Jet branch but it seemed that the price was a little higher for the same specs as other saws. Maybe paying fo rthe Jet name a little? Not sure. As I mentionend I am in the Sahara Desert of table saws and can’t look at one in real life….

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#13 posted 08-16-2013 11:18 PM

Why are you building a 12 by 24 shop. Mine is that size but only because I added it onto my garage. The garage is 24 and I only had 12 feet to go out. If I were building a stand alone, I think I would make it square and something like 20 by 20. Especially with the big table saws you are tempted to buy. My opinion on the saw is that with what you are talking about building you definitely don’t NEED a $1400 saw. I’m sure you would be happy with it, but so would you be with an $800 saw. Spend the extra on the shop. Just my opinion.

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firstbase

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#14 posted 08-17-2013 12:49 AM

I say 12×24 but thats just meant to give a feeling for the size. Wife wants a pottng shed off the back, I want a shop and some storage, who knows. We have plenty of land for it so it should be a great “fun” project at some point. Who ever had a shop/shed that was too big? No one I know. I apprecite your comments on what I need… or don’t. That’s always the issue with me. I try to overbuy on things like this, get the next step up from what I am told or feel meets my needs. Just not sure on where one step up is on this one!

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#15 posted 08-19-2013 01:09 PM

My question is whether or not that saw or the one you have are the same that I would get today.

a very astute observation.

and in addition to the wmh tool company not classifying jet as the best 10” cabinet saw around, wood magazine, when it last tested 10” 3 hp cabinet saws, rated the sawstop PCS and delta’s new unisaw as top tools. the grizzly 691 was top value winner. all WMH tool group contestants (jet AND powermatic) finished out of the running.

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