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Forum topic by ChicoWoodnut posted 11-09-2008 08:13 PM 1363 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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11-09-2008 08:13 PM

I was cruzing around the internet today and came across this web site selling plans for an A&C Wine/Spirits cabinet.

Here is a picture of the cabinet from the site .

And here is a cabinet I designed and built in 2003

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I also blogged it here.

Now there are some obvious differences. The legs on theirs are tapered, mine has sliding doors, mine has breadboard ends and the wine bottle stretchers are curved on mine.

I find it mighty coincidental that the width and depth measurements are identical although theirs is a little taller.

I am in no way bugged by this. I know how much work it takes to draft plans and I hope they are making money at it. In fact, I think I drew my inspiration from some pictures(s) I saw somewhere. Design is like that; drawing inspiration from something else and making it our own.

Now I’m comparing the two and wondering if they got the proportions a little better (theirs is about 1 1/2” taller than mine)

I must say that I like my bottle stretcher and doors better than theirs. I think it is rather lazy not to put breadboard ends on an A&C piece. I’m a little ambiguous about the tapered legs though. I don’t think they fit the Craftsman style ;)

-- Scott - Chico California

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#1 posted 11-09-2008 08:53 PM

Scott – I agree with you; most of us get inspiration from other objects we see – it’s pretty rare to have a new idea. Even G & G got their inspiration from the Japanese and Chinese cultures although they never went to Asia. I was in Pasadena for the Craftsmans Weekend and it was truly awesome and inspiring. I noticed that often their breadboard ends were proud of the surface, which I found interesting. I made a side trip and had the good fortune of meeting Sam Maloof after a tour of his property.

-- Phil in British Columbia

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#2 posted 11-09-2008 10:01 PM

very interesting indeed.

it is nice that you get the opportunity to compare and give yourself a pat on the back for different elements that you used.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (

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#3 posted 11-09-2008 10:22 PM

I’m with you, don’t think I’d be too bothered by it. I suppose the only problem I’d have is if it’s a design to be sold by the original craftsmans that’s copied and sold in the same market so as to lower sales. Being an amatuer, I would see it as a pretty cool compliment.

-- Jeff, South Carolina

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#4 posted 11-10-2008 12:29 AM

I like yours better. I agree on the breadboard ends and the legs.
I always browse lots of pics on the web before designing my stuff, so to some degree, I’m pirating a little bit here & there…oh well. -SST

-- Accuracy is not in your power tool, it's in you

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#5 posted 11-10-2008 02:43 AM

And all I am going to say is when I clicked on the first link, the one that is not yours, it said 404 not found. But I guess it’s my computer but the others above me obviously were able to link on it, so I should probably just keep my big mouth shut ! LOL!!! But I do like yours. Gosh my father would love something like this!

Oops on my part here Okay I simply came from my e-mail from a buddy, I am guilty of not noticing that you posted the picture here, although I did just try again and did not get the link, but I definitely like yours better!

-- Allison, Northeastern Ca. Remember, Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic!

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#6 posted 11-10-2008 02:54 AM

We see dead web pages <g>

-- Scott - Chico California

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#7 posted 11-10-2008 03:07 AM

either way…nice project…I will have to bring you a bottle of Napa WINE…

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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#8 posted 11-10-2008 05:21 PM

Very cool Scott, nice job, I like yours better.

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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#9 posted 11-11-2008 08:14 PM

The company that the top project comes from sells plans to other woodworkers products; i.e. I’ve purchased plans for Darrell Pearts Aurora Nightstand from them. I assume he gets a percentage of that. Could it be the original you drew your insperation from is what they are selling? Or is it simply “form follows function”?

BTW, I’m building the nightstand now, and the plans/instructions require through review and careful corrections before cutting. Lots of mistakes and inconsistancies; clearly no one took the time to review the package before printing them up and shipping them out.

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#10 posted 11-12-2008 12:22 AM

Looks like some opportunist thought you were on a winner Scott. I think they were right.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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#11 posted 11-12-2008 05:16 AM

As I recall the original had the sliding doors. My recollection is dim though. I have a pile of drawings with different versions.

I hope somebody is making money though. Heck, I made two and gave one away as a wedding present.

-- Scott - Chico California

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#12 posted 11-12-2008 05:27 AM

I like yours better!

-- Chip ----------- 6:8

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#13 posted 11-12-2008 05:53 AM

Heck, I copy all the time ! But original enough that when I do there is usually differences in the project. Sometimes due to my skill limitations, or equipment limitations, or just plain gotta be different. I do this even when I have book plans on wooden toys. My theory being that the author made his projects to sell & time is money. Me….time means nothing. Example: Everyone has seen and many of us have made the waddling duck pull toy. I always modify it when I make it. The wings are seperate from the body & of contrasting wood. The duck not only waddles but it quacks as well hence the head is also seperate from the body & of contrasting wood. A toymaker making toys to sell simply cannot spend that kind of time on such details & still make a living. As my toys are donated to inner city kids at Christmas, I would be surprised if the toymaker would feel bad about the way I treat his design.

-- Lee

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#14 posted 11-12-2008 08:49 PM

Scott, I agree with you on the tapered legs. Theirs looks a little top-heavy, whereas yours seems well proportioned.

-- Kinky Friedman: "The first thing I'll do if I'm elected is demand a recount."

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