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Forum topic by Jerry posted 08-01-2013 04:12 PM 1296 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Jerry

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08-01-2013 04:12 PM

So I was blessed with a 20” Rockwell bandsaw for 150.00. I can only find the Serial number 123-334 but cannot find a model number. The wheels measure 20” and spin freely. The throat from blade to far left is 20” so I am assuming this is a 20” bandsaw. The seller stated it was a 16” bandsaw but it is comparable in size to our 20” PM.

The bandsaw is single phase 1 hp Rockwell motor that runs 2 belts. The motor is in running condition. I am looking forward to a complete cleaning and restoration of this old heavy American machinery. I will restore it for my own personal fun.

I plan to repair and replace the bearing head (this is the only part that is broken, and the reason the seller indicated he was selling so cheap). I am including a picture of the broken bearing head. I am hoping Carter bearings can help me with a new upgraded guide bearing head.

I plan to clean the surface rust, and wax the table top.

I will apply a new shiny lacquer paint job to the machine.

I am considering replacing the 1 hp Rockwell motor with a 2 hp Leeson if this is even possible. Then I will be able to use the 1 hp Rockwell single phase motor on other projects I have for the future.

The wheels and tires seem in decent condition and should be fine.

Put a new blade on it and keep it around if not for anything more than the pure love of old restored machines.

I will include pics in this thread before and after as I proceed. Stay tuned.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net


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Sanding2day

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#1 posted 08-01-2013 04:18 PM

Sounds like a winner :) Grats on the find… Cant wait to see how it looks restored. Thanks for sharing…

-- Dan

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#2 posted 08-01-2013 04:22 PM

You could do what you say or you could let me store this for you. I could make the room I think. Get some new tire for it too…...LOL

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#3 posted 08-01-2013 04:30 PM

Awesome find!

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Jerry

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#4 posted 08-01-2013 04:51 PM

Thanks. I am looking forward to it. I may or may not swap out the motor. The only real reason to do so is to have adequate power for resaw if that is ever desired in the future. I am thinking the guide bearing head is going to run me a couple hundred dollars and a 2 hp Leeson motor will run a couple hundred if I do swap out the motor. Everything else is small beans. Will keep everyone posted.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#5 posted 08-01-2013 04:52 PM

Grandpa, I appreciate the offer there. I might just be looking for more floor space for this guy. Thanks for the humor :)

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Loren

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#6 posted 08-01-2013 05:28 PM

I had one of those. The tires are crowned so the center of
a wide blade runs on the crown. In running wide blades
this may contribute to twisting of the blade. Blade guides
that control this effect would help. I ran a 1” stellite tipped
blade from Laguna on the saw. It worked well, but the
3” wide blade on the Hitachi works better. Laguna makes
some nice ceramic guides that fit that saw – I inquired
some years ago. Not cheap but they make the blade run
real straight.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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#7 posted 08-01-2013 05:33 PM

Loren, that is the kind of information I needed. I was not sure where to replace that head from. I have sent pics over to Carter to see what they come up with. I will also check with Laguna. I don’t figure this part to be cheap at all, I hope not more than a couple hundred dollars though.

Oh yeah, and did I mention this thing measures at 13 3/8” height on the re saw capacity. My 20” PM only has 12” of height. Of course not much re sawing will be happening on this saw with a small 1 hp motor though. Just thinking.

So what kind of bandsaw runs a 3” wide blade. That must be a large bandsaw.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Loren

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#8 posted 08-01-2013 05:38 PM

Hitachi, Makita and Ryobi made them… small
15” resaw machines used by timber framers in Japan.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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Jerry

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#9 posted 08-01-2013 05:45 PM

Never heard of those saws. Looks interesting though. I bet a 3” blade can resaw very good. I hope to add a sawmill a couple years from now, mainly for resawing Mesquite.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Loren

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#10 posted 08-01-2013 05:48 PM

My Hitachi:

http://lumberjocks.com/Loren/blog/32413

I have an INCA for other work.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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#11 posted 08-01-2013 09:31 PM

Good for you. It was indeed a best buy. You might want to post a photo of the whole saw. I am looking forward for the restoration! Goodluck!

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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MrUnix

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#12 posted 08-02-2013 12:55 AM

Nice score. If it is a 20”, then it’s model number 28-350. The upper guide assembly seems to only be missing the adjustable “Y” assembly that holds the guide blocks (just like on the 14” models). The blade should be in front of that bearing (thrust bearing), not beside it like shown in the picture. You should be able to find a replacement block holder online or maybe check out the BOYD section over at OWWM. Carter does appear to make a guide for that machine as shown in this picture (found at vintagemachinery.com ) which claims that it is a carter guide:

No idea what the price will set you back though! I’d personally try to get it back to stock.. never been a big fan of the carter guides.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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Jerry

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#13 posted 08-02-2013 01:03 AM

Thanks Brad. I’m still researching it so thanks for the info. It is a 20” so now having the model # helps a lot. Thanks. I will post pics soon. I have not been able to unload it yet.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#14 posted 08-02-2013 12:55 PM

Jerry..i did all that to my 34” new guides..all ball bearing an new tires…set me back $700..well it proly came over on the mayflower…but it was worth the money…got a grand in it. surly I can’t buy a 34 for that..ask carter for the free tune up DVD.. ck my projects

-- IF YOUR NOT MAKING DUST...YOU ARE COLLECTING IT! SOUTH CAROLINA.

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#15 posted 08-03-2013 04:44 AM

So the fella who works with us does not share my view on playing with vintage machinery like I do, unless it means flipping for a profit. But I don’t really think I want to sell this band saw even if I don’t need it. Well my wife loves the band saw believe it or not. So the guy was telling me what a nice profit I might get in the sale. I told my wife and she said if he tries to sell her band saw she is going to sell his truck. My wife told me after I restore her new band saw she is going to write her name on it. She is a great wife, protecting our new band saw!

I was just thinking tonight that the band saw could have been born as many as 50-60 years ago. That is a really cool piece of American vintage to add to our shop. Right now she is safely tucked away in storage. I may be forced to wait until our new shop is finished before I can play with it.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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