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Luke

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08-01-2013 03:16 AM

Topic tags/keywords: pm1000 table saw powermatic

I am thinking about getting this great new saw but I have one question that I can’t find an answer to.
Does it have a quick release riving knife? I can’t find that info anywhere and haven’t broken down to calling PM Tech yet. If it has that I may be sold! It’s a nice looking saw with a lot of features at a great price. I worry that it may be a little weak as I’m used to using a 3HP 220 but I never need that much power anyways. Even if it’s not a quick release riving knife I’m okay. That is just the clincher for me.
http://www.powermatic.com/Products.aspx?Part=1791000K

-- LAS, http://www.abettersign.com


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toolie

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#1 posted 08-01-2013 10:21 AM

i have to ask a question. what is the attraction of a saw that costs ~$2000 yet offers a motor that’s less powerful than, say, a grizzly 1023 costing several hundred dollars less? with few exceptions, all TSs are made in asia, some in the same factories. not challenging your decision, just interested in the thought process behind spending for a cabinet saw but getting a cabinet saw without the punch of a cabinet saw.

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Luke

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#2 posted 08-01-2013 01:21 PM

Without getting too in depth I believe that it is a much better quality saw than the Grizzly offerings. I have a 3HP saw now. It’s an older Unisaw and I really like it but I don’t think I need the power as much as all the other features. I understand the grizzly has lots of features too. I’ve done quite a bit of research on all kinds of saws and the numbers all add up, but, It’s like this. ( nutty example coming) If you compare an iphone to almost any other droid style top of the line phone you are getting a bad deal in the iPhone…but I’ve owned an iphone for almost 10 years with no exception and don’t think twice about it. I like quality products and I feel this is one. BTW I am looking at the Sawstop as well. Also a quality saw.

-- LAS, http://www.abettersign.com

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toolie

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#3 posted 08-01-2013 01:30 PM

BTW I am looking at the Sawstop as well. Also a quality saw.

i have to agree on that one. it is probably worth what it costs from the ones i’ve seen on in stores. it also was a top tool choice in an unbiased comparison test. i guess i just don’t see the value in a saw that’s priced like a cabinet saw but isn’t powered like one.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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helluvawreck

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#4 posted 08-01-2013 02:36 PM

I’m thinking about getting a Sawstop for the new shop that I’m building. I have a PM2000 now and plan on keeping it as well. I have had the PM 2000 for a good number of years and have never had a problem with it. I realize that it’s more powerful than the one you are getting but the quality should be good.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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#5 posted 08-01-2013 04:41 PM

Also, If you don’t compare the Grizzly’s to anything else then the PM1000 is a very good price for a Cabinet style saw but with a smaller motor. The 3HP motors start at a lot higher cost in all brands, save Grizzly. Why that is I can’t say, because I own a Grizzly Jointer and the thing is amazing and was really cheap for what it does/offers but I’d much rather have a PM Jointer as well. The new Delta UNISAW is also an amazing saw… but it is like I said above, starting at $3000. Also, still no answer on the riving knife situation.

-- LAS, http://www.abettersign.com

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Luke

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#6 posted 08-01-2013 04:49 PM

I may be sold. Thanks Mr. Meyer

Thank you for your inquiry. The PM1000 will be coming with a riving knife and it will work just like the 2000.

If you have any other questions or comments please call 1-800-535-4486 or e-mail at tech@woodcraft.com

Thanks,
Kyle Meyer
Technical Representative

Woodcraft Supply, LLC
406 Airport Industrial Park Road
Parkersburg, WV 26102-1686
Direct Line 800-535-4486
(304) 464-5222 Ext.3131
Fax (304) 464-1077
Kyle_Meyer@woodcraft.com

-- LAS, http://www.abettersign.com

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MrRon

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#7 posted 08-01-2013 07:32 PM

If it were me, I would stay with the Unisaw. You may not need the power, but power is never a bad thing to have. A blade that slows down due to inadequate power, burns wood, cuts rough and increases the chances of a kickback. Maybe a riving knife can be fitted to the Unisaw? To me, a PM1000 is like having a 2500 Ford diesel with a 100 hp motor in it.

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NiteWalker

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#8 posted 08-01-2013 08:10 PM

Between the unisaw, pm1000 and sawstop, I’d go for the sawstop. All are great saws, but only the sawstop has the blade brake should something unintended happen.

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Luke

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#9 posted 08-01-2013 08:30 PM

What I really wish my UNISAW had was a riving knife. I’m not sure if it’s possible to retrofit but now I’m going to look it up. You have a great point MrRon. I want to actually cut some wood on the PM1000 at Woodcraft but they don’t have it yet so we’ll see. Still deciding.

-- LAS, http://www.abettersign.com

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knotscott

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#10 posted 08-01-2013 08:41 PM

It’s brand new out, and most of us haven’t even seen one yet. So far I’ve been unable to even find any online pics or diagrams of the guts, so I don’t really know how it’s designed. It looks nice, but I’m curious what evidence you’re using to evaluate it? Have you seen one? $2k is not an inexpensive saw, so my expectations would be quite high.

FWIW, the BORK riving knife and blade guard will fit many of the Unisaws. I’ve had one on my Shop Fox saw since 2008, and really like it.

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toolie

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#11 posted 08-01-2013 09:57 PM

It looks nice

and therein, IMHO, is the primary reason for the majority of powermatic’s sales.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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GT350

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#12 posted 08-02-2013 01:24 AM

I would go with the Sawstop, I bought one a few months ago and it is a very good quality accurate saw. Mine is the 1.75 hp pcs and for me this should be enough power. I had a Craftsman with the same power for 20 years so I went with the same thing. Last night my new Forrest WW2 standard kirf blade came in so I had to test it, so I went out and was cutting very thin pieces off of some 8/4 oak I had and the saw never really slowed down. I wouldn’t recommend a 1.75 hp unit for everyone but for me it works great.
Mike

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Luke

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#13 posted 08-02-2013 05:17 AM

knotscott,
Two or three things I’ve looked up. The powermatic website has a lot of info. Also, there is a video on youtube with a lady talking and demonstrating it. Also, the local Woodcraft has brochures explaining the features and stuff. On top of that supposedly it’s the same saw as the PM2000 but with the smaller motor so that explains a lot. I’m still looking into the riving knife situation for my UNISAW so I’m not sold yet. Also, my dust collection is nowhere near as good as this PM 1000 so we’ll see. The BORK looks like it might be a good buy although possibly a bit flimsy… but the new stainless steel may be the answer there. Also, in my opinion 2K is an inexpensive saw for cabinet…if you throw out the grizzly. GT350 – I have no problem with the sawstop as long as they stay out of politics. I love my freedom. It’s a quality saw.

-- LAS, http://www.abettersign.com

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NiteWalker

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#14 posted 08-02-2013 05:24 AM

I wouldn’t call it the same as the pm2000 with a smaller motor; there’s a big weight difference.

There may be a lot of info online, but not much regarding how the innards look/work.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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