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Sullie

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07-29-2013 07:26 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw router

Hello All,
I caught this bug with woodworking and it hasn’t gone away for three years now. So I figured I would take a leap and build my workshop. I have a budget of 600 and I wanted to know what the cheapest saw on the market was with a cast iron table top, a cabinet mounted trunion, and an adequate fence so that I know if I should save more. Also wondering what options I had for attaching a router table to a “cheaper” saw. I plan on buying a house in 4 years and my goal is to build custom built ins for it. I have looked and looked for months now but Im coming to the realization that I may not be the best web surfer. Thank You in advance for any info, I know this has to be the 5000th table saw thread but I need help.

-- ~Sullie


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knotscott

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#1 posted 07-29-2013 09:44 AM

Hi Sullie – Used if often the best bang for the buck. Do you have 220v available? If so, an older 3hp cabinet saw might come up. If not, a used Steel City hybrid, Craftsman 22124, 22114, 22104, 22116 (granite top), or Ridgid R4511 (granite top) could come along. For new, the current offerings with cab mounted trunnions would be the Steel City 35990, Rikon 10-201 (need a great sale), or Porter Cable PCB270TS are about it in your price range. If you’re willing to consider table mounted trunnions, other good possibilities could come up. The key to make any of them work is to get the setup right, and use a good quality sharp blade that’s right for the task. Router table shouldn’t be much problem….they’re all full size. Expanding your search, and being ready to act fast can improve your chances with a used saw. Good luck!

PA seems to have the most offerings:
If you’ve got 220v, there’s a nice looking Griz G1023S with a Delta Unifence for $500 near Philly.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/3888424697.html

Here’s a Cman 22104 (made by Steel City/Orion)....120v. It’s too much at $500, but a reasonable offer can’t hurt.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/3925366830.html

Here’s an older Delta Unisaw in Bryn Mawr…couild be 220v, but could also be 120v, depending on the motor, which they don’t specify….worth an inquiry IMO.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/3922236618.html

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NiteWalker

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#2 posted 07-29-2013 10:52 AM

+1 on what scott said.

From experience, a table saw isn’t something to cheap out on. I’m on saw #4 and it’s still not my ideal saw.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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Sullie

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#3 posted 07-30-2013 03:28 PM

Thank for the responses and links I’ve decided to save a bit more. Everything leads me back to the fact I want a new saw and I got my eyes fixed on the pm 1792003k :D

-- ~Sullie

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#4 posted 07-30-2013 04:18 PM

I have the r4511 and I bought it used for $350. It’s a good saw and my only complaint is the fence. It’s incredibly hard to get square and doesn’t want to stay square. I hope to upgrade that someday.

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#5 posted 07-30-2013 04:24 PM

what is a pm 1792003k?

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#6 posted 07-30-2013 05:34 PM

Must be a PowerMatic something.

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knotscott

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#7 posted 07-30-2013 08:05 PM

1792003k = PM2000

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crippledcarpenter

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#8 posted 07-30-2013 08:19 PM

the biggest question you need to ask is how much room do you have, foot print wise, for a saw to fit. Can it be stationary, do i need to move it on a regular basis, can my dust collector be used with it and lastly what kind of power sorce do you have. if your shop is going to be a reclaimed garage it is much easier than setting up in a basment shop.(just carrying tools down the stairs).
if you want a new saw cabinet (no frills) $1500.00 <$3000ish. hybyrd $900-$1500 contractor $800-$1200 on up.
my suggestion would be to search for a good used saw to fit your needs. you would be surpised that many wood workers try to find a good home for their older tools

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#9 posted 07-30-2013 09:09 PM

I’ll pipe in from a completely different direction: Have you considered a track saw instead? It’s no cheaper, and you have to think about how you’re doing cuts differently from a tablesaw which means that there’s a lot of magazine article “how to” which doesn’t apply, but having recently worked in my Dad’s tablesaw based shop I’d be hard pressed to move to a tablesaw from a track saw.

Easier sheet goods management. In my humble opinion, less risk (and I’m sensitive to this ‘cause my aforementioned Dad has a few short fingers). A good table setup can serve many of the same functions as a sliding compound miter saw, and do those sorts of cuts more repeatably than a cross-cut sled.

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Sullie

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#10 posted 07-30-2013 09:27 PM

Well I have 12 by 22 foot space to store and 22 by 25 to use so I definitely need something with a mobile base so that I can push it out of the way as needed. I definitely don’t have 3200 beans stashed away at the moment. and actually no I never looked into a track saw. Maybe that’ll my short-term fix as long as it doesn’t dip into my table fund too much. The only downside to me would be constantly clamping. Ill definitely look into it. and burgels fence is super important on my wants list

-- ~Sullie

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#11 posted 07-30-2013 10:34 PM

Do you currently have a table saw? If not, how long is it gonna take you to save the 3200 for a powermatic. That grizzly looks like an awesome buy for 500. Buy it and use it until you have the rest of the money for the pm. You will not lose much on the resale of that saw later if not make some. Just my thoughts.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#12 posted 07-31-2013 01:08 AM

I have a 26×30. My anchor is a PM66, with a 52” fence and a 4’ x 7’ runoff table. I think you should REALLY go check out that grizzly. It may be the last TS you will ever buy and at $500 its a steal. I gave $800 for mine. In 22×25 you should have no problem arranging the TS so it doesn’t need to ever be moved. I have that, a 20”planer, and a 6” jointer that float around. The rest of my machines are on the outside walls. There is enough room in the shop that I changed the motor in my wifes envoy when she blew it up. If I had to chose between parking indoors and having that TS the cars would be outside. just my thoughts.

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Sullie

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#13 posted 07-31-2013 03:11 AM

I was just inspecting the grizzly pics from Craigslist and it looks like its pretty badly rusted. Any thoughts ?? I emailed him and asked for pictures to see if maybe its pitted.

-- ~Sullie

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knotscott

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#14 posted 07-31-2013 09:40 AM

You’d be surprised how well the rust comes off with some WD-40/scotchbright or sandpaper and elbow grease. It’d have to be pretty severe to get pitting. If left untreated, cast iron can take on a patina that makes the rust look worse.

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toolie

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#15 posted 07-31-2013 08:44 PM

it looks like its pretty badly rusted

that top’s just dirty. this is rusted:

and here it is the day i sold it, 5 months later:

look carefully between the miter gauge and the fence for the reflection of the items on the rear wall. here’s the basic process i used:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJjN8jvdp4&feature=relmfu

very inexpensive and highly effective (i just kept going with 2 finer grades of wet/dry paper).

good luck with your search. and do a little more research. that PM 2000 will start looking less impressive when you compare it to the likes of grizzly in terms of bang for the buck. consider also that, the last time wood magazine tested 3hp cabinet saws, the new delta unisaw and the sawstop PCS were awarded top tool honors with the grizzly 691 receiving the top value award. powermatic, jet, general international and laguna ( i think) all finished out of the money.

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