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Forum topic by Rob posted 11-05-2008 03:19 AM 798 views 0 times favorited 1 reply Add to Favorites Watch
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11-05-2008 03:19 AM

I could use a little advice.

I was about to use a Minwax waterbased pigment stain because I had some left over, and I conditioned the wood ahead of time with Minwax water-based pre-stain wood conditioner. I haven’t had great results with this stain in the past and have since learned that dyes go in better than pigments. So I’m going to get and try some water based dye. My question is, will this “wood conditioner” have a negative effect on the dye? From what I’ve read about dye stains conditioning doesn’t seem necessary. So I just need some confirmation if I’m to go ahead with the dye, or is there something I should do first to deal with the conditioner.

I’m trying to make red oak look dark like walnut by the way. Am I on the right track with the dye stain or does anyone have a better suggestion?

Thanks in advance.


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#1 posted 11-06-2008 04:21 PM

Rob, the Wb conditioner is basically a finish…diluted…its purpose is the seal down or better put equilize the surface of the wood…by allowing softer areas to absorb more finish and of course harder areas absorb less…so it balances it out…the problem is that it also reduces the ability of the wood to absorb future treatment’s…dyes unless sprayed in light color passes are the worst for blotching..because they are thinner and usually more intense in color..and thus absorb much faster…the good news is oak doesnt blotch, so you didnt need the blotch control….so to get a good dye will do well, but i would suggest you sand it with some 220 or whatever to remove as much of the barrier as you can…BUT BUT BUT ..because its oak and we have all those deep grains , test a spot first…my thinking here is that the barrier coat(conditioner) would be removed from the top and remain in the deep grains and dye unevenly…in which case just go with it as is and try the dye….an alternative would be a good gel stain ..it lay’s on top and can be applied in several coats to get the color you want…and unfortunately the yellow can products dont seem to have the UMPH! needed ,

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