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DerekV

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394 days ago

Due to extreme drought conditions a couple of years ago, thousands of trees across my city are dead and are waiting to be ripped up and (presumably) sent to the landfill. It seems that there is a lot of lumber there waiting to be processed. These are just a few of the questions I’ve been thinking about lately:

How long can dead trees stay in the ground before they are no longer useful for lumber?
If someone were to have access to a portable mill, how would one go about getting permission from the city to remove these trees?
How would the money change hands here? Does the city pay the sawyer or does the sawyer “pay for the privilege”?

Has anyone here done anything like this?


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richardwootton

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#1 posted 394 days ago

I have wanted to know about this too. I hope some one will chime in.

-- Richard, Hot Springs, Ar -- Galoot In Training

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Dallas

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#2 posted 394 days ago

Check with City planning department, or whoever is in charge of that stuff.
They may be happy to give you the trees, or may pay you or may want you to pay them. Each municipality is different.

If you do get them to make lumber out of be prepared to buy a lot of blades. Yard trees WILL have metal in them somewhere.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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mporter

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#3 posted 394 days ago

Yard trees make horrible lumber because of insect damage. Most of the trees you are talking about are dead not because of the drought, they are dead because the drought stressed the trees out and made them susceptible to insect damage. There may be some trees you can use, but be prepared for lots of wholes in your lumber. Be sure to check the bole of the tree for entrance/exit holes before you pay someone to mill the tree up for you.

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DerekV

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#4 posted 394 days ago

Appreciate the feedback so far. Any thoughts on how long dead trees can stay in the ground and still be made into viable lumber?

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Dallas

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#5 posted 394 days ago

It really depends on your location and what evilness is near the trees. Critters, insects, disease, drought, all have an effect.
You don’t tell us what conditions you have in your area such as temps, humidity or storms.

Trying to make a declaration without information is futile.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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DerekV

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#6 posted 394 days ago

Well it’s Houston so….oppressive heat, high humidity, not sure about the bug situation. Seriously hot though.

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birdsandboards

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#7 posted 394 days ago

In a city the size i Houston I might guess that they have contracts with at least a couple of tree services. You could find out who they are and inquire. I checked into it where I live and this was the case. Decided against it for the reasons already mentioned.

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Richard

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#8 posted 393 days ago

I have made quite a few projects using city trees. My favorites are the maples, honeylocust oaks and walnut. I found a person on craigslist who was selling rough lumber and I found out he was using some trees which were removed by the city. His lot had several green logs and some dried out dead logs from years ago. He never knows what will work out as lumber but I been happy with the lumber The logs which don’t work out usually end as firewood.

I dont know how one would work with the city, there is somebody out there who is probably working with the city and they might be on craigslist or by word of mouth at your wood working store.,

-- Richard Boise, Idaho

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watermark

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#9 posted 393 days ago

I am very new to woodworking and milling so for what it’s worth here is my opinion.

These guys are back on the west coast but if you look at there site they turn there trees into use full stuff from lumber to mulch any big city probably has a business or two they work with already. Google arborists in your local area.

As far as how long a tree can be dead and standing and still have useful lumber depends on what you consider useful. But like the others have mentioned city and yard trees are often hiding metal and if you are paying someone to harvest, transport and mill it I think you would be taking a pretty big gamble.

That wood was salvaged from a tree that was dead and standing for at least 2 years. I consider it to still be very useful for woodworking but a lot of people would say it was firewood.

-- "He who has no dog, hunts with a cat" Portuguese proverb

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Monte Pittman

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#10 posted 393 days ago

In my area when they go to the landfill it’s over. They will not allow anyone to get them. Sad. I do my best to intercept them before they get there.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it. - It's not ability that we often lack, but the patience to use our ability

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Nomad62

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#11 posted 392 days ago

Lots of variables, but the first thing to do is find out if the local gov is doing the job or if they contracted it out; if contracted, they can tell you to whom it is and you can contact them to make a deal. Trees standing dead are ok so long as they are not rotted all out. I’ve sawn many, walnut is great but maple rots fast. You’ll get good wood from 1 and garbage from another. Good luck with it.

-- Power tools put us ahead of the monkeys

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joeyinsouthaustin

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#12 posted 392 days ago

In our TX area, most of the people with these contracts have two options. If oak wilthttp://austintexas.gov/sites/default/files/files/Planning/City_Arborist/Oak_Wilt_Policy.pdf is present, the trees are covered by some special policies, but for the most part they are sold as mulch or firewood, the rest, especially oaks, goes to firewood. They make money off of this, so you may have to get a contract your self. Species not good for firewood are generally sold as mulch. So to salvage these trees, you would likely need to get a contract, or you will be tapping into someone’s revenue stream. However, if you identify trees on private property you can likely be paid to remove the tree, and keep the lumber.

-- Who is John Galt?

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fredj

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#13 posted 392 days ago

“Lots of variables” on all parts of your question. Bugs love dead trees, standing or laying on the ground. The best walnut I’ve ever had came from a tree that had been dead so long the bark and sapwood had rotted away. Most of the heartwood was in fine shape.

-- Fredj

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DerekV

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#14 posted 392 days ago

In case anyone was curious, I actually tried contacting the urban forestry division of Houston. Turns out these folks don’t even take calls. I had to pose my questions to a city switchboard operator, who told me that dead trees on public property can’t be turned over to a private citizen because of liability reasons. I should have expected as much. I guess I’ll just keep my eyes open for dead trees on private property.

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Woodendeavor

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#15 posted 392 days ago

One thing to keep in mind when dealing with urban trees is metal. People out up signs with nails, old clothes lines, metal hooks. Can be full of interesting stuff that will destroy a saw blade

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