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Forum topic by Milo posted 07-18-2013 03:39 PM 663 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Milo

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07-18-2013 03:39 PM

I am moving into a MUCH smaller workshop, and I am concerned about the TS. It a 5hp Delta Uni with a 56” fence. The shop is only 16’x10’.

I am considering looking into getting a smaller fence to reduce the footprint of the saw. Is the a good idea? I know I would have to come up with more creative ideas for cutting larger sheet items, but is that REALLY going to be an issue is the question.

36” is what I am considering. Any thought?

Thanks everyone,

Milo

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#1 posted 07-18-2013 03:57 PM

Hi Milo
I really don’t understand how a smaller fence will reduce your tables saws footprint. Usually people want to increase the length of their fence. If it were up to me I’d stay with the longer fence.

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#2 posted 07-18-2013 04:03 PM

I use a vertical panel saw for full sheets, mostly because
of the footprint issue. I’ve considered cutting the rail
of my table saw shorter to make it more maneuverable,
but the saw’s resale value was a factor in acquiring it.

Consider a track saw for sheet goods. It will lessen
your need to think of the table saw as a dimensioning
tool for all square parts.

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#3 posted 07-18-2013 05:25 PM

I 100% agree with A1Jim and Loren on this.
A table saw is not the best tool for reducing large sheet goods to useful size.

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#4 posted 07-18-2013 05:36 PM

I think 36” would be fine for a most stuff past the first cut in a full sheet. With full sheets, I either have my dealer make one cut, or do the first with a circular saw and shop made guide, simply because I work alone and it’s easier to handle. Most parts typically made with sheet goods are less than 36” wide or tall.

The front and back rails on a Biesemeyer clone fence are standard metal shapes, 2×3 tube and angle, and not that expensive. Check with a local steel yard before you cut your rails. If you think you’ll sell the saw later, keep the “real” rails intact.

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#5 posted 07-18-2013 06:29 PM

Do you mean “shorten the rails” so the whole contraption isn’t as wide? If so then please let me know if/how you do it. I posted the same question a few months back and got no response. I’ve got a Jet cabinet saw with the giant extension on the right and it’s a couple feet longer than I have ever used, and I could really use that space so I don’t have to suck in my gut so much every time I try to get to the lumber rack. I’m not worried about resale value – the saw will be here until they sell it at my estate sale.

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#6 posted 07-18-2013 06:36 PM

Do you mean “shorten the rails” so the whole contraption isn’t as wide? If so then please let me know if/how you do it.

- Set the fence to the widest setting you want to have.
- Mark the tubes an inch or so past the t-square section of the fence.
- Cut the rails
- Make a suitably sized board, or modify your existing table board to fit.

That’s all there is to it…

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Milo

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#7 posted 07-18-2013 08:38 PM

Hi everybody,

Yes, I meant shorten the rails on the fence. My 56” fence requires an outfeed table for support, so the footprint, left to right, is about 72” for the entire table top.

I’m thinking if I shorten it to 36” I wouldn’t have to have an outfeed table (I could mount an addition angle iron), and moving the saw on wheels would be easier to accomplish.

Of course a second idea is to shift the front angle iron and tube LEFT 18” or so, even past the left edge, and re-mount a measuring tape to the rail. Heck, half the time I use a measuring tape or ruler to set the fence anyway!

I may try that first. Then I don’t have to buy or but anything except a new measuring tape. And maybe a small angle iron for the back of the saw to support the fence to the right.

Whatcha think?

Milo

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#8 posted 07-18-2013 08:40 PM

If you do want to cut the rail, do a neat job and it will
be easy to weld it back on later if you want to.

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#9 posted 07-18-2013 08:46 PM

What material/makeup are your rails? Could you buy some standard angle iron, square/round tubing, etc. to makeup new shorter rails and save current ones if you ever resale saw (or fence) or move back into a larger shop?

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#10 posted 07-18-2013 08:48 PM

Working in a one car garage, there was no way to use the wide rails. I ordered my saw with the standard rails which limit me to 26 inches. I could shift the rails to the right about 10 inches but then I couldn’t get to my dust collector to empty it.

I had been using a circular saw and a guide, but recently came across a good sale for the Scheppach CS55 Track Saw. I bought it and the track extension from Grizzly so no problem ripping full size sheets. Note that the Scheppach and Grizzly are identical in all aspects.

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#11 posted 07-18-2013 08:58 PM

@ Crank: I 100% agree with A1Jim and Loren on this.
how can you 100% agree with both of them where they are both contradicting each other? lol

I personally never found the need to use anything longer than 36” in the home shop for TS. but like Loren said – I do breakdown sheet goods with a tracksaw /circular-saw so I never need a ripping capacity of over 30”

and yes, that reduces the floorspace the TS takes considerably.

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#12 posted 07-18-2013 10:11 PM

If anyone knows a source for angle iron and the rectangular tubing that would be used with a Beissmeyer fence, please let me know.

Milo

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#13 posted 07-19-2013 01:57 AM

If anyone knows a source for angle iron and the rectangular tubing that would be used with a Beissmeyer fence, please let me know.

ANY Steel provider…

Here in Central Connecticut, we have Logan Steel. These types of shops are EVERYWHERE, and very locally oriented. Check your local listings, you’ll have someone in the ‘hood…

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crank49

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#14 posted 07-19-2013 02:21 AM

Well, PurpLev, I didn’t see them as really conflicting, just running in different directions.
I interpreted this as, Jim just didn’t think he should cut off perfectly good rails, and Loren was talking about using something other than the TS all together. Those are the points I was in agreement with.
But, I presently use a circular saw and guide for sheet goods and am designing a panel saw for my new shop.

Actually, I respect and enjoy most of the comments of all three of you guys and ya’ll have been here about 1 1/2 years longer than I have. Maybe it would have been better if I had of included a :^) after my agreement.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Milo

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#15 posted 07-20-2013 03:29 PM

Does anyone know if aluminum would be sufficient for the job?

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