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CorbinH

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415 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw 1023 0691 saw comparison

So with the sale going on there’s only a $40 difference between the G1023RL with 7’ rails with legs, base with extension base and the G0691 with base and extension base (with the 1023 being the $40 more).

I also priced the G1023RLW with 7’ rails with legs, base and extension but that’s $180 more then the 691 so I’m not sure that would be worth it just for the router table extension.

I cut enough sheet material I HAVE to have the extension.

...and I’ve heard the 1023RLX doesn’t have a good extension table so I left it out.

SOMEONE HELP ME MAKE THE DECISION. I KNOW I PROBABLY WONT REGRET EITHER BUT I WANT TO FEEL MORE DEFINITIVE BEFORE I PURCHASE.

I am leaning towards the 1023RL but if someone tells me that having the larger cast iron table of the 691 overcomes my leanings to the 1023 I might be swayed.

I’m leaning more to the 1023 primarily because:
1. It’s been their long standing saw and is basically their newest one having gone through an “major” upgrade in 2010.
2. The motor would be an easier repair compared to the Leeson motor which would need to be completely removed to repair should it fail due to the interior something or other.
3. They said the serpentine belt offers a smoother drive (and their moving some of their other tools to it).
4. The know raising and lowering stays where it needs to better (based on a discussion with Grizzly).

Okay….............GO!


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BArnold

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#1 posted 415 days ago

Interesting coincidence. A G0690 will be delivered to me Wednesday of this week. I looked at other manufacturers before settling on Grizzly and also compared the G0690 and G1023. I opted for the G0690 based on input from others who have owned the saw, primarily. Although the 1023 is stated to be smoother, woodworkers who have had a chance to see each in person said there was no difference. When I looked at the process of changing the serpentine belt on the 1023, I thought it a bit cumbersome.

A side-by-side comparison on Grizzly’s website shows the major difference being a longer fence on the 690. In my case, that is irrelevant because I also ordered the Incra LS52-TS fence system.

-- Bill, Thomasville, GA

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Marcus

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#2 posted 415 days ago

I bought the G1023 about a year ago or so. The main reason I bought it was for the dust shroud which I do not find to be too effective. It’s a great saw, but if I were to do it over again, I would go for the G0690 for the tiny bit larger cutting capacity, larger fence, and leeson motor.

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CorbinH

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#3 posted 414 days ago

Holy fence systems BArnold. I may go that route. I may not order the longer rails and then put that money towards the Incra.

It says Grizzly is a reseller but I don’t find it on their site. Are you buying it from Grizzly or elsewhere. Did you get a good deal on it?

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MT_Stringer

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#4 posted 414 days ago

Good luck. I had to make that same decision last December.
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/45746

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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BArnold

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#5 posted 414 days ago

@CorbinH: The best price I found was at IncrementalTools.com The LS52-TS is on sale at $499 and they have free shipping for another day or so.

The Incra fence is why I opted for the short rails. I asked Grizzly if they would discount the saw if I didn’t need the rail and fence, but that was a no-can-do.

-- Bill, Thomasville, GA

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HorizontalMike

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#6 posted 414 days ago

”...I am leaning towards the 1023RL but if someone tells me that having the larger cast iron table of the 691 overcomes my leanings to the 1023 I might be swayed….”

You mean like mine? ;-)

BTW, ALL of the Grizzly TS extension tables are thin sheet metal and you will want to replace them with something more substantial anyway. OH, and you c an put the cast iron router extension on the 1023RL as well.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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CorbinH

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#7 posted 413 days ago

NICE!

BArnold thanks for the input on the Incra fence option. I’m so going to go that route.

I’m a newbie and am giddy with excitement to get a saw ordered.

So now the question becomes this:

Do I go with the 1023RLW/X which includes the cast iron router table OR go with the Incra TS-LS combo that includes their table? Does anyone have any input on if the Incra has any advantages. I’m leaning more towards the cast iron of the Grizzly but I don’t know if it has any limitations.

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MT_Stringer

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#8 posted 413 days ago

The 1023RLW cast iron router table doesn’t have a miter slot for the router if that makes any difference. Just a smooth table that is 8 inches wider than the standard table.

I drilled a hole through the table top so I can adjust my Bosch 1617 through the table.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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CorbinH

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#9 posted 413 days ago

No it won’t since I’ll have the Incra system.

However, I need to find out if the Incra table has any advantages over the Grizzly. I know Incra is pressed board and I prefer the thought of the cast iron.

I’ll have to call Incra and Grizzly today/tomorrow but I also wanted to hear from any users who have some first hand knowledge of either/both.

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jasoncarpentry

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#10 posted 413 days ago

I recently bought the 1023RLW and have used it very little, so I can’t comment on its performance. However, if you want to retain your sanity during the assembly, you might want to reconsider Grizzly altogether. In many ways, both the design and the assembly instructions are a nightmare. For example, they have you installing the left-side table extension BEFORE installing the motor-cover door. This made the door installation about 10 times harder than it should have been. They also recommend using masking tape as a shim to level the extensions. MASKING TAPE FOR SHIM?? I ended up using soda-can metal instead. Also, the support legs for the right extension table were too short, so I had to make my own.

I could give other examples, but I don’t want to bore my fellow LJers. And before you conclude that it’s just my own limitations, let me add that I consulted our resident TS guru, KnotScott, numerous times during the assembly, and he seemed to agree w/ my take on the Grizzly 1023RLW.

-- Jim in Tennessee

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MT_Stringer

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#11 posted 412 days ago

Was your saw mounted on a mobile base. That eats up some adjustability of the extension legs.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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jasoncarpentry

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#12 posted 412 days ago

I mounted the saw on my own homemade base, which isn’t any higher than the one Grizzly recommends for it.

The All-Thread that came w/ the saw was 3/4” X 10 TPI, whereas every store in my area stocks only 13 TPI. So, in order to lengthen the legs, I had to re-tap the holes in the supplied legs, then force the new All-Thread into them. I also had to buy 4 new nuts, and swap the “feet” over to the new legs.

The extra cost was minimal, but the elbow grease was considerable. And when I pay $1500 for a name-brand TS, I expect an easier time of it.

-- Jim in Tennessee

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MT_Stringer

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#13 posted 412 days ago

I haven’t had any trouble adjusting my legs. However, they are at their outer limit of adjustment. If I need more, I’ll just shim ‘em with a 1/2 inch piece of plywood and get on down the road. That would not be a deal killer for me. The saw performs great. I use it almost daily.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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CorbinH

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#14 posted 412 days ago

BArnold, I want to thank you for your response. I am new to this world of cabinet TSs and had no idea of the Incra System. Had I spent the additional money with Grizzly on rails then found out about the Incra I was have been very disappointed.

Because of your post I decided to apply the money from the long rails towards an Incra.

So after way too much due diligence I’ve decided on the 1023RL with an Incra TS-LS 52”. Later I’ll buy the Incra Joinery Kit and router table attachment.

The deciding factor was this:
Even though I would love to have a bigger SINGLE solid cast iron surface that the RLW provides and the thought of an other $45 for an additional 2 HP (insert Tim the Toolman Taylor grunt here) I am sold on having a router lift that I can adjust from the top of the table and I don’t think the RLW will allow that. So I’ll save the $180 and apply that towards the Incra.

With current pricing the difference between a 1023RLWX with additional long rails and a 1023RL with Incra TS-LS 52 is only $150 (1023RL with Incra being more). ...and all I lose is the additional horse power really.

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MT_Stringer

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#15 posted 412 days ago

Cast iron is easy to drill through. Thirty seconds max and I had a hole so I could adjust the router from above the table. :-)

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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