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lateralus819

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284 days ago

So I picked up a beautiful 8’x10”x1” piece of curly purpleheart. Didn’t have a use for it but for the $ i paid it was too good to not try and use it.

I had a scrap of purple heart from a project a year or so ago and tried to plane it, and it’s just as much a pain as maple is. It chatters and skids the whole way making no shavings.

Also have difficultys with figured maple.

Are there planes i could look into that would be better suited to these figure/more dense woods?


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Bill White

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#1 posted 284 days ago

Plane setup is the answer.
Google all the many sites that talk about planning and plane tuning.
Remember, it ain’t the arrow, it’s the indian.
Sharp iron, tight mouth, light cuts.
Keep at it, and you’ll be successful.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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Don W

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#2 posted 284 days ago

Scraper works best. #112, #12, #80 etc or shop made. A high angle works second best. You’ll typically need to go to a infill or LN for those. If they don’t work then a toothed plane fist, then one of the above.

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lateralus819

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#3 posted 284 days ago

I was looking at scraper planes on Ebay Don. Saw i think a #112, what might be a good price for one of those types?

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#4 posted 284 days ago

prices are so hard to keep up with…......A #112 in decent shape typically goes for $100+. Some much more. I paid $75 for mine because it was pretty much a steal.

The #112 is my favorite. I even prefer it over my Veritas.

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lateralus819

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#5 posted 284 days ago

Is there much difference between a 112 or 12/12-1/2?

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Don W

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#6 posted 284 days ago

yes, although the 12 and 12 1/2 are nice. I like the #12, just not as much as the #112. Feel free to stop by and try them some time.

Here is a #112, #12, and #81

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lateralus819

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#7 posted 284 days ago

The 12 looks neat, there is one on ebay for $150.

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Don W

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#8 posted 284 days ago

The #12 typically sells for less than the #112. $150 sounds a little high, but I could be out of date. Prices seem to be a bit high right now.

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#9 posted 284 days ago

Why not contact Christopher Schwarz. He is the former editor of “Popular Woodworking” and now has his own venture, Lost Art Press. He is one of the most knowledgeable hand plane experts, and is very approachable.

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#10 posted 284 days ago

The harder and more figured a wood is, the more prone it tends
to be to tearout. Going with a plane that scrapes a little
more and cuts a little less is the answer.

Scraper planes work, but the angle is usually higher than
you’ll need.

A standard bench plane is bedded at 45 degrees, which
works well on straight-grained hardwoods and softwoods –
it is also efficient, can take deep and shallow cuts well,
and is not too much work to push around.

Move the bevel up with an aftermarket “York pitch” frog
(Lie Nielsen), an infill smoother, a custom-made wood plane,
or by back-beveling the iron by 5 degrees.

Brian Burns’s pamphlet “double bevel sharpening” is
useful in understanding and solving these issues,
both with hand planes and machines.

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bandit571

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#11 posted 284 days ago

Different pitches of frogs

One is the Common 45 pitch, the other is a York pitch. Ends of these irons are in line with each other. Note how much higher the iron is?

A Dunlap from West germany is in the back, and has the york pitched frog.

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lateralus819

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#12 posted 284 days ago

Which brands made that type of pitch? Would love to pick one up.

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bandit571

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#13 posted 284 days ago

L-N makes them nowadays. That Dunlap was an Antique Store buy @ $8 + tax. The “pitch” on it is milled right in the base. Otherwise, the frog would sit at a “normal” 45*.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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Don W

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#14 posted 284 days ago

They are extremely hard to find. Bandit didn’t even know he was buying it until he got it. I’ve never seen one. LN makes one for their #4. Personally I’d buy a nice infill, just because they are cool first.

There is also this trick, http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/readarticle.pl?dir=smalser&file=articles_449.shtml
or this trick, http://lumberjocks.com/projects/62562

or just make a krenov style smoother with a 50 or 55 degree bed.

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#15 posted 284 days ago

Sharp, sharp, sharp. Its all about a sharp well tuned plane and a light cut. Get it sharp, close up the mouth, and set the chipbreaker as close as possible. I smoothed some curly maple yesterday with a LN with a 45 degree frog, but my vintage Stanleys will do it to. With a very closely set chipbreaker I got a nice smooth surface. If I do get tearout my LV BUS will usually take care of it.

As another poster said, A back bevel will raise the effective cutting angle if sharp and well tuned don’t cut it. Then go to a bevel up smoother, or a scraper plane as a last resort.

If your plane is chattering its either not sharp or its not sharp and the iron is not bedded well and/or you are trying to take to rank of a cut.

Jonathan

-- “It’s good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.” Ursula K. LeGuin

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