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Blackie_

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434 days ago

Needing closure on this and was hoping by turning to folks here on LM’s can help me bring an end to identifying this wood I feel as though I’m on a seesaw or a merry-go-round trying to come to a conclusion if this is Pecan or Walnut.

Here’s the story.
Lady in a neighboring town said she had some walnut on the ground that had been there for over a couple years and that I could have it so I gathered up my saw, gloves and tools and headed out on the 45 mile drive. Once there she pointed out everything what was what, she had a couple 12” logs of Pecan laying apart by her driveway, then 20’ away lay part of a trunk of walnut and then 30’ from that was a still standing dark walnut that had been dead for many years so I first loaded up the two pecans then cut in portions the walnut trunk that was on the ground and then I downed the walnut tree standing. The first group of pictures is the wood in question, the house I got them from was built pre-Texas independence the lady claims it’s Walnut when I questioned her she called some older relatives and they all claim it to be walnut, when I took a sample to my local lumber supplier the person I showed it to said it was pecan, looking at it to me seems too dark to be pecan buy to light to be walnut and I did research on cross pollination pecan and walnut and found the answer to be no they can’t, so I’m at a dilemma walnut or pecan, One other thing in my experience when cutting walnut it has a distinct smell in which I’m not getting when cutting this wood but the folks still claim it to be walnut, I grabbed several pictures

Here shows the trunk as a whole before being cut, ignore the word “Pecan” written on the log as that was my doing when trying to ID it.

These are photos after the cuts.

Thanks so much for your help in this matter, look forward to putting this at an end if possible.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs


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Sodabowski

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#1 posted 434 days ago

I have walnut that’s exactly this color here in France. Could be a different variety than the usual brown-purple walnut.
On the other hand, when it becomes thick, the core darkens, this one seems uniform in color…

-- Holy scrap Barkman!

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Blackie_

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#2 posted 434 days ago

Thomas it is, the color stays the same through every slab. Here are the photos from the dark walnut that was 30’ standing from the one above in question.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Sodabowski

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#3 posted 434 days ago

Hm the bark looks really different on this one. I think the memory of those elderly gentlemen and gentlewomen might have played them tricks, looks like this one was the only walnut in there. The other one is really too light for such a big trunk. The European walnut I was talking about before actually begins to darken at around 2” thickness. That one doesn’t. But hey, it has beautiful color streaks!

-- Holy scrap Barkman!

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Handtooler

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#4 posted 434 days ago

I possess about 800 bf of planked lumber what I personally know to be Pecan that came down in a storm 12-13 years abo and it’s running 6-8% humidity. I picked up ate and cooked with the nuts after cracking them for years. Your bark looks very similar and the planks definitely look to be Pecan, very cream color and EXTREMELY hard since its a Hickory varient. I’ve never seen any Walnut (BLACK) that wasn’t dark purple to almost black. But, I’ve never seen and English Walnut. I’ll follow other’s remarks to see how this finishes. Thanks for the Forum thread.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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grizzman

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#5 posted 434 days ago

from what im seeing, this wood is not walnut, is this tree in your yard, if so was it dropping pecans, but i can pretty much tell you that its not walnut..at least not the walnut ive seen…

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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shampeon

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#6 posted 434 days ago

What about butternut (aka “white walnut”)?

If it was pecan, it’d be super hard. Butternut is a little softer than walnut.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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Mark E.

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#7 posted 434 days ago

Don’t know if this helps, but here are some pictures of the pecan tree in my backyard.

-- Mark

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Blackie_

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#8 posted 434 days ago

Grizz, not in my yard, view the story above and it tells you where I got it from and history.

Mark your pecan bark doesn’t look the same to me.

ian if it is then it’d have to be a white walnut, as for as cutting it seems to cut about the same as walnut.

Russell I agree with you, that’s why I’m stumped.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Randy_ATX

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#9 posted 434 days ago

Randy, since I am in Austin too I can probably better answer this. Without a doubt the top photos you have posted are Pecan. The second photo from the top has “pecan” written on the cut. I sliced some Pecan up a couple of months ago, looks exactly like what you have. Also the “shaggy” bark is Pecan, not Walnut. As you state, walnut sawdust has a distinct smell.

-- Randy -- Austin, TX by way of Northwest (Woodville), OH

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Blackie_

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#10 posted 434 days ago

Yea Randy I wrote that word “Pecan” on there as I was a bit confused trying to ID it and the town I got it from was Hutto.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Randy_ATX

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#11 posted 434 days ago

When I get a chance, I will take a photo of the pecan I sliced up and send it to you for comparison. They look identical. :)

-- Randy -- Austin, TX by way of Northwest (Woodville), OH

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shampeon

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#12 posted 434 days ago

Take a jack or fore plane to one of the boards. If it planes really easily, and you can get full, wide shavings without much adjustment, it’s either not pecan or you are amazingly talented. If you have to keep the cut thin to get any traction and get wispy, lacey shavings, it’s probably pecan.

Or at least that’s been my experience with walnut vs. hickory (pecan is extremely similar to hickory).

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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grizzman

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#13 posted 434 days ago

yea im thinking its the hickory, , ive worked with pecan and its usually lighter with a darker area in the center area , it really does look like hickory, take some shavings and cook a pork roast over it, if it smells and tastes like hickory, then bingo..lol.oh and send me some of the meat if im right…ill pm ya my address….lol

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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Dallas

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#14 posted 434 days ago

Blackie, it looks like Chinese Tallow to me, but I would call or email Daphne Richards, your local extension agent.
You can also find her on Facebook. She’s also a regular on Central Texas Gardener… a PBS show every weekend on KLRU.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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WDHLT15

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#15 posted 434 days ago

It is pecan. Pecan is in the walnut family and is actually a hickory. There are two types of hickory in the genus Carya. The true hickories and the pecan hickories.

-- Danny Located in Perry, GA. Forester. Wood-Mizer LT15 Sawmill. Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln

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