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BenI

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06-17-2013 01:58 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cedar fencing finshing

Hi all,

I’m slowly working on building a gate and small section of fence for our patio area. I like how cedar will gray over time but my mom doesn’t and asked if there was a way to prevent it from graying and I wasn’t sure.

Can you put an exterior polyurethane or some other type of finish on to prevent it from turning gray?

Also, I know cedar is naturally weather resistant/proof but should I still plan on putting some sort of stain or finish on it to help it last and if so what?

Thank you in advance for the help and advice.

-- Ben from IL


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Wildwood

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#1 posted 06-17-2013 02:13 PM

Paint will provide best protection and service life. Want to use an exterior alkyd oil primer, then quality latex paint.

Might get ten year service life from primer & latex. Chose a color she likes.

Oil, Sealers, and film finishes yearly re-applications recommended, might get 2 years needs sanding and re-application. Not sure staining will do much for appearance or service life.

-- Bill

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#2 posted 06-17-2013 02:41 PM

There are some semi-opaque and solid color stains that have UV inhibitors in the pigment.
I used the “natural red cedar” color in the wood trim all around my house and it has a 3 year life, supposedly.
I can only speak for the first year, as that is how long it’s been on there, but so far it looks exactly like it did the day I put it on. My trim was actually real red cedar and redwood, but had aged for 35 years. The solid color stain brought back its original color.
The product I used was a Beher solid color fence and trim stain from Home depot.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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BenI

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#3 posted 06-17-2013 03:04 PM

Thanks for the quick responses guys!

Wildwood I’d kind of rather not paint it and my mom doesn’t seem to either but we’ll think about it since it’ll add to the service life. Since it’s a pretty small section, I don’t really mind reapplying every year or so even though sanding would need to be done too.

crank I’ll look into that. I’ve never made anything for outdoors so this is uncharted territory for me so did you use that stain on the trim and then put topcoat over it or just the stain?

-- Ben from IL

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DMC1903

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#4 posted 06-17-2013 03:15 PM

I recently finished a cedar privacy screen, the finish is waterlox 2 part marine finish.
The process takes several coats, it’s well worth the effort for the work. I used a poly on another outdoor cedar project, it looked good for a few months, then the finished peeled off

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BenI

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#5 posted 06-17-2013 03:25 PM

DMC that looks great. Looking at the Waterlox site, you’re supposed to use the sealer and then the finish, correct?

And I forgot to mention how originally was looking at maybe using either General Finishes Exterior 450 or Outdoor Oil, not quite sure what the difference is except ones a lacquer and ones a linseed oil (?). Does anyone have experience with either of these?

Now that Waterlox has been mentioned, I recall seeing that used by a lot of Jocks here.

-- Ben from IL

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#6 posted 06-17-2013 04:03 PM

BenI,

Really depends on what you are looking to achieve. Cedar turns silver grey. All of the finishes will be affected by the U V in the sun. There are treatments to prevent rapid change, but you will have to re treat the wood in a few years. DMC’s work will preserve the color. ( For awhile)

Cedar will probably outlast treated wood,

General Finishes produces a high quality product. CN Woodworking is a great source to answer your finishing questions.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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crank49

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#7 posted 06-17-2013 07:46 PM

This is the product I used and it is the stain and finish all in one.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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Jim Finn

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#8 posted 06-17-2013 08:10 PM

Paint is very good for outdoor wood. I suggest that you get some exterior semi-gloss paint at Lowes or a paint store and do NOT have them add the color tint. Oil Based or Acrylic. This paint will then have all the qualities of outdoor paint without the color. It looks white when applied but turns clear before an hour of drying. This base for paint is rated by numbers and you need #4 or #5. I have used this for indoor projects but have read that it works well outdoors because it has ultra violet light blockers in it. Multi coat cedar . It soaks up any finish a lot on the first coat. If you are skeptical get a quart of this ($11) and try it. That is what I did.

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#9 posted 06-17-2013 08:55 PM

Behr solid color stain.

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#10 posted 06-17-2013 10:09 PM

Ben certainly understand why painting your cedar gate not perfect aesthetic choice. Some of the other recommendations sound promising too.

-- Bill

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BenI

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#11 posted 06-18-2013 01:42 AM

I’ll check with the boss and see what look she prefers. Leaning towards using the Behr that’s been suggested or Waterlox/GF exterior if she doesn’t want the color changed.

Thanks for all the helpful advice everyone!

-- Ben from IL

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