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Steve

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402 days ago

Hi all,

I am about to start filming a Woodworking Show for TV in OZ, which will also be able to be viewed over the internet.
More details when I know date to air information for those interested.

My question is when watching similar shows in the U.S. do you prefer to see a project completed in one episode of the show or would you prefer a project to be spread out over several shows thus giving more information and details of the build.

Interested in your thoughts.

Cheers

Steve

-- Cheers, Steve


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DIYaholic

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#1 posted 402 days ago

As a neophyte wanna be woodworker, it is less about the project and more about the techniques, tools, machines and tips. I want to see mutiple techniques for making a cut or part (every shop is equipped with a different assortment of tools, machines and skill levels). Tips and tricks are very helpful. I also like to see tool/machine setup, calibration and preventative maintenance. Skill building would be my preference versus how to build an item.

Just my humble opinion.

Good luck on the upcoming launch of your show!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procratination a bad thing?

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Steve

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#2 posted 402 days ago

Hi Randy.

Thanks for the feedback.

The setup I propose is first segment discuss look at and explain a tool e.g. Hand Plane, show how to sharpen, set and use it.

Next segment, would be tips on using it and build a useful jig that can aid it’s use e.g. Bench Hook.

Third segment putting the first 2 segments into practice on a real time woodworking project which will span say 6 episodes.

Cheers

Steve

-- Cheers, Steve

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AandCstyle

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#3 posted 402 days ago

Steve, why not do it both ways? Provide a high level overview of the project(s) with links to the deep content supporting the various techniques/tips for those that would like/need to view it. Does this make any sense?

-- Art

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sophiabrown

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#4 posted 402 days ago

I will prefer to see a project completed in one episode only.
I love to learn new & latest techniques of woodwork in making different types of furniture.
So please let us know when it is going to be aired or available on internet/youtube/etc.

-- Sophia | http://www.atlantisoffice.com/

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#5 posted 402 days ago

Snuffbox,

Is the purpose of your show to “introduce” viewers to woodworkng through the basics, or to present projects for woodworkers who already are familar with tools and basics? The favorite around here is the “New Yankee Workshop” with Norm Abram. His presentation can be followed by even the greenest of want-to-be woodworkers. The projects he presents are covered in one episode, but there may be a situation where the complexity of the project may warrant it be spread out over two episodes. I think most viewers prefer this approach; at least I do.

I’m not much of a fan of “basics” shows. I believe people should have enough interest to find out the basics through experience and from books and observation. Presenting it over the TV may be fine for someone who is really not committed to woodworking, but will quickly become a bore to those who are.

You wouldn’t want to teach beginners English to those who already speak the language. I feel the same applies to woodworking.

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Rick M.

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#6 posted 401 days ago

explain a tool … tips on using it …real time woodworking project which will span say 6 episodes.

You will never please everyone but that would lose me instantly. There are 3 things that get me to watch a WW show …
1) demonstration of an advanced or unique technique
2) a unique project
3) an entertaining or charismatic host

The shows I watch will have at least 2 out of 3 in nearly every episode. Actually, while typing this I realized that I don’t watch ‘woodworking shows’ so much as ‘woodworking hosts’. One last thing that is common in the shows I watch, they don’t hide their mistakes but instead show how to fix them. Watching someone do it perfectly every time is the most boring show of all.

-- |Statistics show that 100% of people bitten by a snake were close to it.|

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pintodeluxe

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#7 posted 401 days ago

I see differences between shows like Woodsmith Shop and The Yankee Workshop.
In the Woodsmith shop they spend time explaining every little detail, assuming no base knowledge on the part of the woodworker watching. Often they don’t even build anything, just wipe stain on this, or show a specific technique at the drill press. It feels more like high school wood shop than anything else. I compare that to a show like The Yankee Workshop, where Norm shows selected details from a major project he is building. Topics discussed, like how to build a flat panel, will apply to many woodworking projects. I like arts and crafts style furniture, so I didn’t always care for the style of the furniture Norm was building, however I always learned something. If he didn’t cover something in detail, I could always research it on my own. So in answer to your question, I like projects completed in 1 show, or 2 shows for the biggest of projects. That way you can focus on the interesting techniques, and assume the viewer has some basic woodworking knowledge.

Best of luck with the show!

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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oldnovice

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#8 posted 401 days ago

Besides The New Yankee Workshop and The Woodwright’s Shop I watch every episode of the David Marks WoodWorks shows when it was still being shown because he did both, covering new techniques and completing a project in one 30 minute episode.

I also watch the Woodsmith show but it has way too many hosts but does have some good project ideas!

David Marks is an artist and had a different perspective on woodworking than Norm Abrams or Roy Underhill. Way out of my league both still very informative and interesting to watch.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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Brandon

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#9 posted 401 days ago

So, to follow up on what Rick says, a lot of the reason people watch shows is due the personality and style of the host. For instance, the Woodsmith Shop puts me to sleep almost instantly every time, even though I tend to be interested in the projects they make. On the other hand, I really enjoy the Woodwright shop. Roy Underhill focuses so much on the presentation that it really makes the show interesting (plus the content is pretty good). Also, the videos by Steve Ramsey are very enjoyable to watch, but I hardly find the projects that compelling. All this to say, I think it has less to do with the projects and more to do with the presentation.

Looking forward to your show!

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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Rick M.

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#10 posted 401 days ago

If you compare Roy Underhill (PBS) and Frank Howarth (youtube). Roy is lively, Frank is deadpan; yet both are entertaining because they are creative and put on a good show.

Then there are a couple folks who contribute detailed, technical, woodworking videos and their projects are often unique and interesting but I can’t watch more than two minutes because they show every tedious step in detail. And on the flip side, some who have unique and interesting projects, are creative, have an interesting personality, but mostly yap at the camera rather than doing.

tldr; videos are about showing, not telling

-- |Statistics show that 100% of people bitten by a snake were close to it.|

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Puzzleman

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#11 posted 401 days ago

I think the beauty of the internet makes it possible to have to both of best worlds.

Imagine a show where the project is completed in an hour with some setups shown like New Yankee Workshop.
What about adding links into the video so that if I don’t understand a tool or setup nor a procedure, I can go to the link to see another short video that explains that part in more detail?

That way people who have skills and understand what is going on can see the entire project completed.
The person who may understand most but not all of the steps could get more detail about the step they don’t know. The person who is just starting out could click on all the links to see each step in more detail.

I would think that this could all be filmed at the same time. Just splice different parts together to make it work.

In my opinion, that would be the best. The part I understand, others may not and the opposite is also true.

-- Jim Beachler, Chief Puzzler, http://www.hollowwoodworks.com

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Steve

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#12 posted 401 days ago

Once more many thanks for your time in replying and giving me your thoughts.

So much to think about not sure if I should brush up on Woodworking Skills or Enroll in a Dale Carnegie Course. Maybe a bit of both.

Jim in answer to your post I am looking at a website that will have more in depth descriptions and basic information for novices.

-- Cheers, Steve

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BigMig

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#13 posted 401 days ago

Web based programs are a great place for spending time on detailed parts, right? Hobbyists and pros can zoom past this content. As a novice, I always appreciate seeing hedetails fo techniques, etc. Don’t skip the details, man! We need ‘em.

-- Mike from Lansdowne, PA

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Steve

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#14 posted 400 days ago

Hi Mike.

You’re right what is any job except a process of details in the right order.
I’ll keep that one in mind thanks.

-- Cheers, Steve

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moke

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#15 posted 399 days ago

I really do like the Woodsmith Show…for a number of reasons…but the main one is I like a “Tips” section.
I do agree that there is too many hosts for great continuity, but It is still my favorite WW show out there.

I find the Tips very useful and interesting. They are only a minute or two long so if it does not interest me, I watch for the short time it is on anyway. Good luck,with this adventure…please let us know when it is on so we can watch.
Mike

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