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311 days ago

- In Ike’s last address on the state of the nation in 1961 he said “The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. – Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
(Emphasis mine)

Sound familiar?

-- Michael :-{| Diapers and politicians both need to be changed often; and for the same reason.


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HorizontalMike

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#1 posted 311 days ago

And let us NOT forget that Ike iterated in the same speech the need to keep the military out of government:

Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation
January 17, 1961

”...In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. ...”

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#2 posted 311 days ago

”scientific-technological elite” ~ how funny. LOL.. this is a man who could never have imagined the internet.

OH WAIT… Monsanto…. they are scientific-technological elite over crop production, run our government’s FDA… and they are EVIL!!!! and Republican.

-- the sacrifice of one's ego is the greatest gift to someone you respect

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#3 posted 311 days ago

IKEA?! Now you are a fan of IKEA?!

-- “A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.” ― Mark Twain

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#4 posted 311 days ago

What do you know about the intelligence of Dwight Eisenhower? He was smart enough to propose the
Interstate highway system almost 60 years ago.

You know, I don’t think the government becoming bigger every year and taking away more and more of our rights, every year, has a damn thing to do with either frigging political party. They all are in the pocket of some industry, special interest group, or PAC.

As far as calling all Republicans idiots, morons, or evil, that’s just not true. I’m a republican, been an engineer for 40+ years, have an IQ over 150, like to fish, love dogs, been married to the same woman since I was 22, go to church. Got fired from one job in my life and that was because I would not install a highly polluting furnace in an automotive plant without getting the proper EPA permits. My manager was a Democrat, by the way, but that does not make all democrats ass holes either.

-- Michael :-{| Diapers and politicians both need to be changed often; and for the same reason.

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#5 posted 311 days ago

sensitive crank? I think for your 150 IQ.. you should understand that all butterflies are insects not all insects are butterflies… all evil people are human not all humans are evil… but MONSANTO.. they are evil.. (my opinion) AND they are Republican special interest group who runs the FDA (just a fact). I wrote nothing about you or other republicans.

With your IQ.. do you like Socrates…”It is a sign of an intelligent mind to entertain a thought or concept and not take it personal.”

IF we want to share factoids about ourselves.. I am 42, been an professional artist for the last 15 years (professional meaning I actually earn money doing it) with 8 years of education in Product development and marketing.. and sculpture… I have an IQ of 142… I like to camp, love cats, and been with my husband for 18 years. I am a norse socialist… not a democrat nor republican and I have friends who are both… and I have never been fired from a job. I do not fear the government which is made of people for the people… we vote them in… we let them do this to us. So… yay.. what ever.

-- the sacrifice of one's ego is the greatest gift to someone you respect

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#6 posted 311 days ago

Well, good for you, Eric. I personally would not be too proud to be a socialist, they’re not having much success in turning Europe’s economy around, but what ever turns your crank.

I thought Socrates said something to the effect of, “It is a sign of an intelligent mind to entertain a thought and not accept it.” But, what’s the difference after all, he’s been gone for quite a while.

As far as Monsanto, I don’t have much to say about them. My background is metallurgical, electronics, and mechanical. Never cared much for things chemical. I did almost get a job at a local Monsanto plant where they make Orlon Acrylic fibers; about 45 years ago. Know several folks who do work there and like the place.

And, you just about lost me with all that butterfly, insect, people thing you had going on, but I take it you really don’t like Monsanto or the FDA or something. That’s okay, no skin off my back. I don’t like the EPA, ACLU, IRS, or several other entities with a decidedly liberal bias. We all have our vises I suppose.

But, back to my original post, I was just pointing out how thoughtful Ike was to warn us of the very thing we are seeing more and more of today. Corruption in all forms of government. I believe Jefferson warned us as well.

-- Michael :-{| Diapers and politicians both need to be changed often; and for the same reason.

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#7 posted 311 days ago

Sure glad my IQ is not over 140, so I wouldn’t have to aspire to +150 self serving inane drivel.

-- BELT SANDER: Used for making rectangular gouges in wood.

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Tony_S

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#8 posted 311 days ago

I don’t have a clue what my IQ is.

But…

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

-Aristotle

-- Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is demoralizing. ~Harriet Braiker

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HorizontalMike

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#9 posted 311 days ago

WOW!... Crank, you just tied yours in a knot. I do NOT know what to add…

Eric, you da’ man!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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crank49

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#10 posted 311 days ago

At least I got the quote right.
Jimbo, I don’t drivel. I try to help others and share advice when I can.
Eric, nice google skills there.

-- Michael :-{| Diapers and politicians both need to be changed often; and for the same reason.

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Buckethead

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#11 posted 311 days ago

Ike was the second to the last one. (Independent[ish] President)

They killed the last one. The rest have kept in line.

-- Hi. My name is bucket head and I'm a recovering framing carpenter.

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#12 posted 311 days ago

“Well, good for you, Eric. I personally would not be too proud to be a socialist, they’re not having much success in turning Europe’s economy around, but what ever turns your crank.”

Never mind that part of the reason they are having so much trouble is because of the extreme right wing ideology driving most of their efforts, eh? Isn’t almost any aid being offered to them tied to extreme austerity measures, something that has been proven time and again not to work?

To boot, saying all the failed European govts are socialist shows a total lack of understanding of Europe.

BTW I don’t think your last sentence means what you think it means. (With apologies to The Princess Bride.)

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#13 posted 311 days ago

Ike would be famous today if he didn’t keep beating his wife, Tina Turner.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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Rick M.

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#14 posted 311 days ago

they’re not having much success in turning Europe’s economy around

You can substitute any political party and the statement is still true. Have you ever seen the show, “How It’s Made?” If you want a crash course on why recessions are coming at quicker intervals and lasting longer, watch that show. You can only replace so many human beings with robots before it has a significant impact on the economy.

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Paul C.

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#15 posted 311 days ago

“You can substitute any political party and the statement is still true. Have you ever seen the show, “How It’s Made?” If you want a crash course on why recessions are coming at quicker intervals and lasting longer, watch that show. You can only replace so many human beings with robots before it has a significant impact on the economy.”

I think the right’s race to,the bottom for all middle class jobs in the name of austerity is much more to blame. I am not sure, but i think the same stuff happened at the end of the 19th century as well. And all the right wing puppets march in lockstep with it.

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