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stefang

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446 days ago

NEW PLANES PROMPTED THIS POST
I just took delivery on some relatively good quality planes (Lie Nielsen Chinese Clones), a #4 smoother, a #5 Jack and a #6 foreplane. I thought that these would cover just about all my personal planing needs aside from my block plane. I might not really need the foreplane for the mostly small work that I do, but I couldn’t resist the temptation, and it is handy as a jointer for longer pieces or for preliminary flattening of larger panels. Here is what I bought.



SEEKING WISDOM
Before honing any edges and/or relieving any corners or putting any camber on my blades, I decided to do some research. I read some, watched some videos by recognized experts and also comments and videos from other lesser known, but skilled handplane users.

WHAT I LEARNED
The one main learning point I came away with was that there are many different views on how edges should be prepared for the different planes and what they should be used for. The strange thing about it is that even though they may differ in opinion, they are all right and they all get sterling results!

MY OWN EXPERIENCE
Personally, I have been using my 30-40 year old Stanley Jack which I bought new, and various cheap #4 smoothers for the last few years (my jack lay dormant for many years). I can’t claim to be very knowledgeable about hand planes or their use, but I have improved my skills over the years to a certain level of mediocrity. I am pretty much up to speed on the theory part, but lacking in practice. I hope to remedy that before I die of old age.

MY PRELIMINARY THINKING
I am currently thinking that my wisest move would be to camber my Jackplane blade with maybe 1/32” down at the corners. I could then use it for rough planing sawn surfaces. In cases where I wanted to use my Jack for jointing of final smoothing, I could just use my smoother blade in the Jack as it is interchangeable. My thinking is that my smoother could then straight edged with 1/64” taken off the corners, or maybe have a very slight almost indiscernible camber along the entire edge. I am also thinking that my forplane should have a straight edge or be cambered very little, similar to the smoother since it will also be used for jointing. I would probably relieve the corners more though, enough to allow for deeper cuts for the preliminary flattening of large boards and panels prior to final smoothing.

ALL ADVICE AND OPINIONS ARE WELCOME
I am pretty open minded at this point, except for the sharpening method. I intend to use Paul Sellers sharpening method with a convex edge and not secondary bevel. I have been using this method for some time now and I am more than pleased with it, so I am more concerned with camber and corner relief than sharpening methods. Thanks for reading this and any input you might have will be appreciated.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.


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Don W

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#1 posted 446 days ago

It sounds like you’ve researched well. I like your approach. It sounds very similar to what I do, although I’ve never actually measured any of my cambers.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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stefang

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#2 posted 446 days ago

Thanks Don. I know that you are very knowledgeable and experienced with hand planes, so your answer gives me more confidence in my own thinking.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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Brit

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#3 posted 446 days ago

Did you post this twice by mistake Mike, or is it a test to see if people offer the same opinion in two places? LOL.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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stefang

12938 posts in 1966 days


#4 posted 446 days ago

Sorry Andy, I was having trouble getting on the net to post this and it got away from me. There is annual 90km bicycle rally in our area today and most families, including ours (grandson) have a family member riding in it, so everyone is on the net to see the results and news underway.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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DocBailey

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#5 posted 446 days ago

Whatever you do, don’t use the Peter Sellers method of sharpening! It’s a joke.

The Paul Sellers method on the other hand, is perfectly O.K. : )

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stefang

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#6 posted 445 days ago

DocBailey So Paul didn’t star in the Pink Panther then? Thanks for the tip, it’s fixed.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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DocBailey

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#7 posted 445 days ago

Glad you took it in the spirit in which it was intended.

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stefang

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#8 posted 445 days ago

I need all the help I can get.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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shampeon

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#9 posted 445 days ago

The Peter Sellers sharpening method involves playing at least 3 different characters and a lot of pratfalls. Not recommended for novices.

“Facts, Hercule, facts.”

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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stefang

12938 posts in 1966 days


#10 posted 445 days ago

I’ll put a good French detective on the case to find the missing Paul.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#11 posted 445 days ago

I wouldn’t mind seeing a review of these ‘Dictum’ planes, I mean, knowing they’re from China and all, I am wondering how they’d perform, compared to Stanleys, the industry standard. I’d buy a set if they’re worth the money, and have some interchangeability with other mfr’s parts!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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bandit571

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#12 posted 445 days ago

If they are anything like a Wood River plane

Just a strop of leather, with some green honing compound smeared on it, and away you go. Pull the iron towards you, unless you want the edge to cut the strop. Push down and pull back. About three or four times each side.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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TheWoodenOyster

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#13 posted 445 days ago

I have recently started using Paul Seller’s sharpening method and love it. So fast and so easy. Its much more of an art than sharpening with a dad gum honing guide, but once you do it once or twice, you realize it isn’t that hard.

As far as putting cambers and corner reliefs go… I just decided a couple of weeks ago to put a decent camber on a cheap iron I had sitting around. I figured I might screw it up, but it was a buck bros so I wasn’t too concerned about it. Anyway, I traced a camber on the tip of the iron, using a salad bowl edge as a stencil, then took the iron to the belt sander for five or ten minutes. It didn’t take long to get it to the right shape. Then I just used Paul’s regular method and had the iron razor sharp within about 30 minutes. Worked much better than I thought it would. Give the stencil and belt sander method a try for a camber. For the record, the kitchen salad bowl I used had about a 12” diameter and my camber ended up being a little over 1/16” across the width of the iron.

-- The Wood Is Your Oyster

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bandit571

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#14 posted 445 days ago

Cheap Corsair C-5 Jack plane’s cambered iron, ala Schwarz

About an 8” one. Plane was made with a single place for the bolt to hold the frog with. ONE Bolt holds thing together. $6 scrub jack plane

But it do work….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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Tim Dahn

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#15 posted 445 days ago

Its good to be you! with three new planes. I like the idea of a cambered blade in the Jack especially since you can swap with the fore plane. I also like Paul sellers method, you can’t beat quick when it comes to honing. Another thought, concentrate on keeping the #4 tuned/sharpened really well as it is usually the last plane to touch the wood. I am curious too to hear a review and maybe some close up pics.

-- Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from poor judgement.

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