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Forum topic by Odiferous posted 06-07-2013 03:03 PM 941 views 0 times favorited 20 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Odiferous

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06-07-2013 03:03 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw craigslist

I’ve been trawling Craigslist for table saws and trying to keep an eye on discussions here to try to learn what’s a good buy and what’s a pass. This saw# just turned up, and I can’t seem to find any info on the 351.228021 model. The asking price is well out of my price range anyway, but I’m not sure how to consider the value of a saw I can’t find any info on.

In that regard, I know everyone has their favorite brands, but are there any particular hybrid or cabinet saws to stay away from (I’m thinking the classes of saws that are a step above the current breed of PC and Ridgid saws that have such mixed reviews)?


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Loren

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#1 posted 06-07-2013 03:42 PM

The Craftsman “Professional” cabinet saws are the same
as the ones sold by Grainger under the Dayton label.
I reckon they are spec’d right. Looks like a decent
buy, actually, with the accessories.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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crank49

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#2 posted 06-07-2013 04:27 PM

To start with, that’s a 12” saw instead of a 10”.
I haven’t seen any 12” saws that were not way more in the professional league than some of the 10”ers.
For $700 that’s got to be worth a look.
Only negative I can think of the blades are going to cost a lot more.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Jimbo4

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#3 posted 06-07-2013 05:12 PM

Remarks: Will hold a 12” OR 10” blade.

-- BELT SANDER: Used for making rectangular gouges in wood.

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dschlic1

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#4 posted 06-07-2013 05:48 PM

Being a 12” saw the motor is probably 3 phase. So if you don’t have 3 phase power in your shop, you won’t be able to use it.

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junebug

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#5 posted 06-07-2013 06:12 PM

the label says its single phase

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toolie

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#6 posted 06-07-2013 06:18 PM

if you don’t have 3 phase power in your shop, you won’t be able to use it.

i believe that’s inaccurate. there are a few ways to operate 3 phase tools on single phase power. VFDs are just one.

the linked saw appears to be a right tilt, which would be a deal breaker for me.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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unbob

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#7 posted 06-07-2013 07:28 PM

Most 12” saws have 1” arbors.
3 phase is getting much easier to deal with, VFD and other conversion options.
Single phase motors are much more trouble prone, though some later ones are better then old ones.

Left tilt-Right tilt. I have both in 12” saws not a big deal to me.
Right tilt is better for slider attachments, Left tilt better for angles working from the fence. Both have been around and used for years.

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knotscott

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#8 posted 06-07-2013 07:42 PM

I know very little about them, but if you have 220v, it’s at least worth a look….could be a good purchase.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Jerry

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#9 posted 06-07-2013 09:01 PM

Ah, my friend has that same saw. He paid more than 3,000.00 for his brand new. It is one heck of a saw and got the privelege to use it for a few months because when he moved out of his home he needed a place to store it and so he parked it in our shop. I grew to love the saw for the short time it was in our shop but then it left :(

His saw was single phase and had 2 arbors so that a 10” blade or 12” blade could be used. We ran a 10” blade on the saw. It was 3 hp but for one reason or another, it seemed to be a souped up 3 hp saw as it seemed stronger than the 3 hp Unisaw I own that sat right next to it. If I recall, it has a 30” deep table top. The stock fence was a pure pleasure to use and work with.

It really is a great saw and at 700 a great value. It is more saw than needed for most of us, but heck… I would buy it quickly.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Odiferous

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#10 posted 06-07-2013 09:17 PM

The saw gets a little less unusual once you discover that it also goes by the name 351.228020—then you can find parts and a manual for it. It seems like understanding the Craftsman brand is an art unto itself.

This is largely an academic exercise for me—reading the pricing advice from knotscott and everyone else around here has given me a good frame of reference on the most common stuff that flows through Cragslist, but when something like this pops up, I have a hard time telling if the seller is asking too much, and likely has room to come down. Probably boils down to me not having a clue between a saw that sells for 1200 new and one that sells for 3000.

It sounds like this one’s really well priced, especially given the shape it looks to be in—which means he’d be giving it away to get it down to what I’d be comfortable spending.

I think this forum would be a quieter place if we had a Kelley Blue Book for table saws…

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unbob

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#11 posted 06-07-2013 09:35 PM

If the saw has changable sub arbors, that would be a real plus. Some 12” Grizzlys have that feature, original to the no longer produced Delta 12/14.

I dont know if they would fit that saw “probably do”, Grizzly does have those sub arbors, including 5/8” at very reasonable prices.

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Jerry

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#12 posted 06-07-2013 10:16 PM

Let us know if you get the saw. Have you tried to contact the guy yet? I would say the price is great, I would give the guy full asking price. Of course it does not hurt to make an offer but it is worth more than the asking price.

It really is an excellent saw. Wish I could go and pick it up right now myself. :)

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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kdc68

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#13 posted 06-08-2013 02:02 AM

Well I wanted to see this saw but it appears I’m too late as it says deleted by author….

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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Odiferous

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#14 posted 06-08-2013 02:30 AM

Yeah, it was listed a couple days ago. I don’t know if it’s the same everywhere, but around here, I’ve pretty much come to assume that anything listed at a reasonable price that’s over 24 hrs old is already gone.

I figure the only real way to score a deal is to have a notifier running and be able to get the listing, decide it’s a deal worth pursuing, and fire off an email inside of about 30 minutes. Here’s what I’m currently using for a search string—anyone have any suggestions?
(“table saw” | tablesaw | “cabinet saw”) (ridgid | “shop fox” | shopfox | grizzly | powermatic | general | jet | 22114 | 22124 | rikon | “steel city” | unisaw | cabinet)

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knotscott

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#15 posted 06-08-2013 09:29 AM

I’d add PM66, 3650, 3612, 2424, rigid, Craftsman Professional, and rockwell to your string.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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