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Forum topic by Eddie posted 06-05-2013 01:29 PM 2715 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Eddie

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06-05-2013 01:29 PM

Topic tags/keywords: shopsmith

Hello to all you SS’ers

This is a bit of a repost from a tangent in another thread of mine but I wanted to post with a title that would bring the advice I needed.
(i apologize to those who have already chimed in, in the other thread, thank you)

I am looking to purchase a Shopsmith off of craigslist.
The seller recently inherited it and doesnt know much about it other than it has the Band saw, Jointer, & Jig Saw.

It is an hour and a half drive so I wanted to see if you guys could advise before I made the trip.
Also, the seller was planning to use it but it trips his old shops breaker (only has 15amps). The motor worked for a few mins then it trips the breaker so he has not been able to use it, hence selling now.

Another member mentioned that it looked like it might be a 500 with the 510 upgrade?
Do you agree?
See any issues?

Here is what the ad says:
Shop Smith with book and implements (Table saw, jointer, Drill press, Lathe, Jig saw and Band saw.)
$200.00 or Best Offer.

PLEASE NOTE – The seller left me a voicemail and only thing he added was that it had a 1 1/8hp motor


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#1 posted 06-05-2013 02:20 PM

The only thing I use my Shopsmith for is the bandsaw and the drill press, but for $200. that is a good price
for those two items, the rest would be added benefits.

-- As ever, Gus-the 77 yr young apprentice carpenter

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#2 posted 06-05-2013 02:49 PM

Sounds like a great deal at $200. Parts, if needed are always available, unlike those made offshore.

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#3 posted 06-05-2013 03:09 PM

Definitely worth the drive. There are enough parts there to more than double your money on craigslist even if it doesn’t turn out to be a user. The price is very right.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fibreglass trees. http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#4 posted 06-05-2013 03:18 PM

I have a shop smith that I use just for the horizontal drill press and also with a buffing wheel with the variable speed motor. Very useful…
Most certainly worth the $200 unless it is a defective motor that keeps tripping the breaker.

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#5 posted 06-05-2013 03:36 PM

I think you can replace the motor and still come out on the deal if you want a Shop Smith user.

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ddockstader

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#6 posted 06-05-2013 05:25 PM

Having just given a presentation at my woodworking club on all things ShopSmith last night, I can tell you that it’s a 500 (can’t tell the exact year without the serial number, but the entire list of serial numbers is on the ShopSmith web site, so you can pretty much date it to the month if you get that number). I can also say that, if it works even reasonably well, the band saw alone is worth $200. Just search for “Shopsmith” on eBay. There is a wealth of parts available, so you should be able to refurbish it easily. If you have any questions, send me a message.

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Eddie

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#7 posted 06-05-2013 06:51 PM

Thank you guys so much for the input.

I was able to talk to the seller again, I mentioned my concern with popping the breaker and he understood. He did tell me that the motor seemed to run just fine and that popping breakers is a consistent issue he has with most his tools. His Harbor Freight angle grinder trips the breaker too, as does his air compressor. SO maybe (hopefully) it is more of an issue with his shop than the equipment.

Also he is going to take a few additional pics of it and the pieces since he knows little about it all. He will try and include different angles to I can get a better perspective. He had no idea that there were two different tables (the 500 and 510 tables) so he will try to capture it in pictures.

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ddockstader

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#8 posted 06-05-2013 09:19 PM

Another possibility is that he is trying to turn the ShopSmith on when the speed is set too high. Always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS run the speed control down to the slowest setting BEFORE you turn it off. And never, NEVER, NEVER turn the speed control when the motor isn’t running. Two cardinal rules that should be tattooed inside the eyelids of every ShopSmith owner. That, or the phone number of a good place to get your ShopSmith repaired.

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Eddie

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#9 posted 06-05-2013 09:43 PM

That could be.
On that regard, ddockstader, what happens if the speed control was NOT set to the slowest before being turned off last and was up higher…then what do you reccomend?
Turning it on and quickly slowing it down?

What would do the least damage?

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#10 posted 06-05-2013 09:45 PM

I’m pretty sure this is a model 500. I don’t see anything that looks like a 510 upgrade.

You should ask/look at the Shopsmith Forum. There are lots of friendly Shopsmith experts there that are more than willing to help.

-- Robert in Tallahassee Florida, http://robertkeeney.com

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shipwright

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#11 posted 06-05-2013 09:49 PM

I think the 510 upgrade people are seeing is the extra main table leaning on the side, at least that’s all the 510 I see.
If I were you I’d snap it up before he starts to realize what he has.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fibreglass trees. http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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Eddie

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#12 posted 06-05-2013 09:55 PM

He is sending more pictures in the next hour or so and that should really help to see all that is there.

Do you think that the breaker popping could be a result of motor failure/resistance on the motor?
If I need to replace the motor right away I couldnt afford it.

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Eddie

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#13 posted 06-05-2013 10:34 PM

Well, I received a few more photos and the serial # (SS153386). Im hopeful he is still planning to send more as they do not encompass everything.
But 3/4 are of the additional pieces.
I have no idea what most of these pieces are for but thought you guys would easily recognize it.

If there are pieces that you are Not seeing that concern you please let me know. I havnt been able to tell from the pics if the drill chuck is there nor have I seen photos of the jointer or jig saw. I asked him to confirm he had them

Here are the photos he sent

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Robert Keeney

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#14 posted 06-05-2013 11:17 PM

OK, there is definitely a 510 table there. There are part missing. Lots of them.

I don’t see a jointer but I do see the guard for a jointer.

There is a mortising chisel attachment and the hold down but I don’t see a fence.

Two lathe rests and two lathe tail stocks.

I think the second table is a aluminum band saw table. But I’m not sure. I have the cast iron table.

The miter gauge doesn’t look like it’s a Shopsmith miter gauge.

I don’t recognize the bottom photo. However it looks a lot like the table on my Delta sander.

The band saw appears to be broken and there seem to be some missing parts.

I think its a pile of assorted parts that are mostly Shopsmith parts. If you buy it you will be spending lots of time, effort, and money getting it up to good usable condition. If thats what you want to do great. If you want to take it home and start making saw dust it ain’t going to happen. If you decided to refurbish it please get an account on the Shopsmith forum.. There are lots of members there who have bought basket cases and refurbished them into some very nice machines.

If it were me I would offer him a $100 if it runs and the speed control works.

If you go look at it be sure to turn on the motor and run the speed control up and down. Don’t turn it without the motor running.

-- Robert in Tallahassee Florida, http://robertkeeney.com

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ddockstader

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#15 posted 06-07-2013 02:47 PM

The band saw looks a little the worse for wear. I’m not sure why the blade guard is at an angle, but I agree with Bob that it might be missing a few parts (especially a blade). It has an old cast iron table, so by upgrading to the new(er) aluminum table, you might get some benefit. The miter gauge is a ShopSmith, but it’s missing the hold-down handle (which is probably why Bob didn’t recognize it – you hardly ever see it that way). They show up every once in a while on eBay (there’s one there right now). There are 2 tailstocks, 2 tool rest holders, and 3 tool rests. Kind of overkill since you can only use one at a time, but they could be sold on eBay to finance what may be missing. There is a 510 blade guard and it looks like the 2 floating tables are being held together (along with the 510 fence) by the connecting tubes used with the 510 system, so there are major parts of the 510 upgrade there, at least. If the motor runs and you can change speeds, it’s well worth the $200.

Now, as to the problem of starting it when the speed control is set too high, there are a could of ways to handle it. The easiest way (without taking the speed control apart – easy to do but not for the novice or the faint of heart) is to mount the sanding disk (which I didn’t see in any of the pictures, but it’s probably there in the milk crate full of parts) on the left side of the headstock (upper shaft). Then rotate the sanding disk by hand toward you while you slowly move the speed control counter-clockwise to get the speed control and sheaves to a lower speed. Note, the handle turns counter-clockwise, the speed ring will turn clockwise when you lower the speed. Again, confusing to the novice, but you get used to it. Lacking a sanding disk, you can use the 6-inch turning plate if you have one. You can use a saw blade, but watch your fingers. It doesn’t have to get to the lowest speed, but if you get within an inch or so of Jig Saw, you can safely turn it on. It shouldn’t pop the circuit breaker. 15 amps will work on low speed, not so well any higher. Once you get it powered on, slowly turn the speed control from slow to fast. You can leave the sanding disk on, it will give the motor something to turn. Listen for noises – or burning rubber. Sometimes the belts that have been sitting a while don’t take kindly to working again.

I think that about covers it. There is a wealth of information on http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/. There is even a video by Nick Engler on buying a used ShopSmith. Not to mention, try http://www.shopsmith.com. And if you go for it, just search for ShopSmith on eBay. You’ll find more parts than you can ever use. Good luck.

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