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BentheViking

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404 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: dust collector

So I picked this up at a yard sale over the weekend. I figured for $20 it was a step up from just using shop vac. My shop is small and right now I am mostly going to use it for my table saw and picking up any dust in the shop.

The thing is it didn’t come with anything so now I need to figure out a cheap and more importantly easy way to get it up and running. I obviously need the hose for the intake end, but what should I do on the outtake end?

It doesn’t have a bag and it has been quite tough finding a replacement bag. Grizzly might have a posibility, gonna call them in a bit to see if it will work. I’d like to have something I can easily move around so I was possibly thinking of trying to hook a hose up on the other end and running that into a 5 gallon bucket (I know it will require a lot of emptying, but its a small shop and I like the smaller size. The other option is to hook the hose up to a garbage can (not as often to empty but takes up a lot more space and is more expensive.)

Eventually I will have a planer and jointer in the shop and will have to get a bigger DC unit so I am not looking for anything crazy right now, just something that I can get up and running soon.

Also where should I look for attachments and supplies? I need some 4” hose(s), clamps, possibly the bag, some reducers (Is it normal that the outtake end is 5”, with the intake being 4”?). Are there other accessories that I need that I am unaware of?

Thanks for your tips in advance.

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson


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mja979

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#1 posted 404 days ago

The exhaust should be routed into a collection can. I need to get one myself so I am not a lot of help.

-- https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/787761497/the-hybrid-3d-lunatic-maze-puzzle

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TheDane

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#2 posted 404 days ago

Running it into a bucket isn’t going to work … the air has to have someplace to go (like a bag).

You can buy bags for these from quite a few sources … Grizzly is one that comes to mind.

When you order a bag, get the one with the finest filtration the seller can offer. Most of these units come with a 30-micron bag, which will collect chips and sawdust, but circulates the finest dust (the stuff that will kill you) right back into the air that you breath.

I had a similar unit that I retro’d with a 5 micron bag, which was an improvement, but still released a lot of fine dist back into the air. I used mine out on the driveway … it made too much fine dust mess in the shop. Eventually I sold it on CL and bought a real dust collector with a .5 micron canister-type filter.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Lifesaver2000

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#3 posted 404 days ago

If the discharge is 5 inch, then the bag and clamp for this unit:

http://www.grizzly.com/outlet/1-HP-Light-Duty-Dust-Collector/G1163

should work. That is the unit I have, and it’s discharge is 5 inch.

Another alternative, depending upon where you live and if your shop is heated and/or cooled, is to use some type of collector ahead of that unit, such as a Thein separator, then just let the discharge blow to the outside. That eliminates worries about the filtration and cleaning a bag. Just don’t let the separator get full, or you will be blowing sawdust outside!

If you go the second route, you can size the separator so that it will work with a larger dust collector later on when you upgrade.

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BentheViking

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#4 posted 404 days ago

Thats funny that you say that lifesaver since I was just on the phone with someone from Grizzly as I read your comment and they said that it was a 4” discharge. Since he was sitting at a desk and computer vs. you actually having the unit I think I’ll take your word for it.

Do you have the stock bag or an upgrade? Gerry has got me worried that I will be doing myself a disservice by purchasing the standard 30 micron one.

I have a garage shop in Connecticut so I’m not sure about discharging outside. I have explored separators a little, but not too much yet.

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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Grandpa

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#5 posted 404 days ago

I believe some people think you are doing more harm by stirring the fines instead of allowing them to settle. When they are suspended in the air you are in danger of breathing them more easily. Either discharge them outdoors or get a .5 micron filter system. You might use it (filter) later if you decide on the correct build. You can make those portable and move them from one machine to the next. Read Bill Pentz article on the internet. This will at least give you some direction. You can download many sets of plans from manufacturers. Clear Vue shows you how to set up you filters.

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chrisstef

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#6 posted 403 days ago

You can try Wynn filters Ben. They may have a bag thatll fit it.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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toolie

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#7 posted 403 days ago

i’d make a cyclone out of it. get one of these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cyclone-Separator-for-Dust-Collector-/280840027122?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41635ebbf2

mount the blower to the cyclone and, short term, route the blower exhaust outdoors. or find a way to route it to a filter

or fabricate a thien top hat seperator with the blower mounted to the separator (functions just like a cyclone) and similarly exhaust outdoors or add a filter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3RuKFqYHNQ

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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Shawn Masterson

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#8 posted 403 days ago

I have the E-bay cyclone. If I had it to do over I would have saved my money and did the Thien separator. to those saying vent outside, don’t. its cold in the winter and the DC will suck out the heat and dust up the outside air. Be responsible and think of others.

I have a C-man unit just like that. It has a 5” out and a 4” in. I would build a thien separator and get a bag. I wouldn’t invest in filters for a dc that is small. as for hose I would go for a dust right hose. 4’- 28” stretchy hose. I will vouch for the fact that it is a smooth walled well made flex hose. here is the Dust Right® Wall Mount Dust Collector. looks to be the same.

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PKFF

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#9 posted 403 days ago

I have a similar unit to this, while I do like Grizzly tools, I purchased the rockler version of this as it had a bigger motor on it and it came with an option to hook it to the wall, and it was about $50 cheaper. Also, I bought all my accessories from rockler, such as the retractable hose and tubes for the sweeps, so it was easier making one purchase with one shipping cost. Now, I have tried both, laying it on the floor for operation (as I see this one has wheels) and also hanging it on the wall. Not including the dust collection can I have now, I say hands down, the system works BEST in my opinion hanging on the wall. More efficient because all the dust in the bag will settle on the bottom of the bag opposite of the motor which creates max flow, in my opinion**

-- "If you put your best effort forward today, you won't have to re-do it tomorrow"

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MT_Stringer

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#10 posted 403 days ago

If you have room to mount it on the wall, You could be in luck.
Make a chip separator out of a barrel with the Thein separator either on top or inside of it.
Rout your dust collector to the inlet of the separator, then rout the outlet to the inlet of your dust collector.
Connect your discharge from the dust collector to the bag you plan to purchase. Most of the dust will drop out into the barrel (32 gallon).

Check out my mods to the Harbor Freight dust collector. Mine never got put together the way it was intended but it works great!
Hope this helps.
Mike

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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Lifesaver2000

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#11 posted 403 days ago

I have the stock bag on mine, but it is in a separate space outside my shop so the filtration isn’t a problem. Any fine dust that escapes the bag won’t get back into the shop anyway. Since my shop is not heated or cooled, having air sucked out of the shop is not a problem.

Also, there is nothing wrong with venting outside, depending upon the situation. I will be setting mine up to blow outside as soon as I rig up a wall vent. There is so little dust in the bag because of the separator, there will not be any visible dust outside unless I let the separator overfill (again). But, I live in a rural area, a long way from the nearest house so I won’t be bothering anyone. Considering that saw mills blow the sawdust outside into a pile, I doubt the handful of fine sawdust I will be blowing outside will be in any way “irresponsible.”

The biggest advantage of ditching the bag is that without it, the collector pumps a lot more air. That is a plus for a low powered collector.

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Shawn Masterson

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#12 posted 403 days ago

your right if you are out in the boonies then its fine. one thing to look out for when running without the bag is the amp draw. Material handling impellers draw their most amps at their most open setting. When I was building mine I sized it to draw as many amps as I could safely use. If I remove the filters and open all the blast gates mine draws 5 amps more than the motor is rated for. with the filters installed it runs just right.

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mrg

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#13 posted 403 days ago

Woodworkers Supply has Woodtek bags on sale until 6/7 and they are 1 micron. They range from 30 to 72 dollars depending on the size.

-- mrg

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BentheViking

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#14 posted 402 days ago

Thanks for all the tips and links thus far.

I think what I’ve decided to do for now is a basic hose (HF) and bag (Grizzly) set up. As much as a it would be nice to have a great system with seperators and cyclones and things it seems kind of crazy to put all that kind of stuff on a $20 temporary DC system.

I do like the added benefits of mounting on the wall. Not any way I could do that at the moment, but once I clear some junk out of the shop it might be a nice option. Just would have to figure out how to retrofit the frame to a wall mount.

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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Shawn Masterson

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#15 posted 401 days ago

just remember the thien separator I something that is shop made from scraps.

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