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05-24-2013 01:40 AM

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After researching on the internet ways of making veneers, the best method is to use hand saw however there are several ripping saws.. one of them is the one called Bow Saw where the blade is in the center. What is the ideal Teeth per inch (TPI)? Is there anyone out here that can guide me on other methods of cutting veneers manually?. My plan of buying a band saw will be delayed till December because of other priorities. I need to cut a jackfruit lumber which is 12 inches in width (already at hand and seasoned dried) and cut it to veneers of 1/16 inch thick. I will use this for construction and restoration of decade old musical instruments like mandolin, violin, and banduria only if I would be successful to cut this beautiful jackfruit into 1/8 thick boards then sand later on.

I need help on this method… specially how to sharpen the saw with 15 tpi.
Thanks for the help.

-- Bert


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#1 posted 05-24-2013 03:18 AM

I’ve only watched videos of people cutting veneer with frame saws and it looks like hard, tedious, and probably frustrating work. I would go with a 5tpi panel saw, that way you have a more useful tool when you eventually get a band saw. Incidentally, I do have a bow saw, not a frame saw (blade in the middle), but I prefer a panel saw for ripping.

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#2 posted 05-24-2013 03:40 AM

Thanks Ric,
I know how tedious it will be but it is alright because I need only few boards for the musical instruments. You gave me an idea using a portable circular saw but it has only limited cutting depth… Mine has only 2-3/4 inch and double it will cut only 6-1/2 not enough to penetrate a 12 in depth total.

-- Bert

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#3 posted 05-24-2013 03:46 AM

Sharpening a rip saw is easier than sharpening a crosscut saw. There are a few videos if you search for “sharpening a rip saw”. A decent written explanation is here:
http://www.vintagesaws.com/library/primer/sharp.html

If you use a bow-saw it will have to be one where the blade can be turned at an angle, otherwise once you’ve sawn a few inches the frame of the saw will get in the way.

If you use a regular handsaw with a rip-filed tooth you can do it, but as you know it will be slow, but doable.
If you have a thin-kerf blade on your tablesaw you can make a kerf on each side of the board and then use those two kerfs as a guide for your handsaw. That will mean less wood to cut by hand, and two grooves to help guide the saw will keep you from going astray. Then just clean up with a plane or planer or sander.

Good Luck – it sounds like some interesting restoration work.

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#4 posted 05-24-2013 03:56 AM

That’s what I do, run a kerf down both sides with my tablesaw then finish with 5tpi rip saw.

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#5 posted 05-24-2013 04:04 AM

How about asking someone at meat butcher shop to borrow their bandsaw to cut your veneers? I am sure a bandsaw will be much quicker and more accurate.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#6 posted 05-24-2013 05:26 AM

Bert, if the wood is of real value, try to find someone nearby who has a bandsaw and knows how to resaw.
You will run the risk of wasting a lot of material in sawdust doing it by hand without experience not to mention the amount of work it will be. If there’s any way to get it to a bandsaw, that’s what I’d do.

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#7 posted 05-24-2013 06:48 AM

Thanks Paul. That’s what I am afraid of. The jackfruit is really a good stuff of 12 inch width that I personally watch the drying and seasoning of it. My original plan was to use it for a bass guitar but now that I have pending restoration work for musical instruments then I need to resaw it. The thickness of the plank is about 1-1/4 inch and about 5 ft in length and I knew that it will be wasted if really not done properly. I have already tried with ordinary saw but could not make a real straight line. Started with 3/8 and down to 1/4 after planing and sanding. Thanks for the warning.

-- Bert

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#8 posted 05-24-2013 07:51 AM

Not impossible, but certainly not easy either Bert. It would be an interesting challenge just for fun.

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#9 posted 05-24-2013 04:46 PM

As far as I can tell the frame saw was the way this was done because the tension allows a thinner blade and kerf. But that also means much more skill is required in keeping the cut straight. Google for roubo frame saw. Shannon Rogers did a few posts on his renaissance woodworker blog about them and where to get parts to make one. I think it was him that mentioned the 4” blade depth made a big difference.

If you’re going to go this way, you’ll need to practice a lot on less valuable wood. Unless you find that idea enjoyable, I think bandsaw resawing is the way you’ll want to go.

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#10 posted 05-24-2013 06:34 PM

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#11 posted 05-25-2013 02:14 AM

Hi Bert

Suggest that you take it to the re-saw mill in Taytay. They are not too bad at this sort of thing. Then put it through thickness-er to get it to what you want. To sharpen a saw with 15 tpi, I need REALLY good glasses and a very small three corner file. (-:

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#12 posted 05-25-2013 12:33 PM

Thanks to all.
The whole day of saturday was consume fo experimenting. It was fun and really fun. I sharpened my crosscut and convert it ripsaw. It was previously sharpened using a grinder and it took me 2hours filing the nearly new set of teeth. Make the kerf bigger…. tested and found good. I will just post a blog on it later after taking pictures of what i cut 8 inches width.

George, yes i will in taytay. Thanks.

Btw using my tablet at the moment. Not very keen on touch screen keyboard.

-- Bert

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#13 posted 05-26-2013 02:17 PM

Other expériences :

Bob Razaieski had a better experience than Adam Cherubini
http://logancabinetshoppe.com/blog/2013/01/great-expectations/
http://logancabinetshoppe.com/blog/2012/01/episode-41-re-sawing-hand-tool-style/

another one
http://www.renaissancewoodworker.com/why-you-need-a-resaw-frame-saw/

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#14 posted 05-30-2013 05:51 AM

Bert, i agree with George just take it to re-sawing shop in Taytay its very near your place and it won’t take them an hour to do the job. Don’t let even the slightest inaccuracies by handtools ruin your precius wood. Sayang naman kaibigan.

-- My Master is Mankind's Greatest Carpenter.

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