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05-15-2013 03:37 PM

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I am new to hand planes and have bought and have refinished a couple of old Stainley/Bailey planes. The question I have is that after sharpening I am getting really fine shavings but for some reason when I run them over a face of a board there are lines that show up throughout the whole width of the path the plane went. There are no tracks from the edge of the blade, I have the blades cambered very slightly. It looks I have the blades sharpened good and I can’t figure this out.

I am wondering it’ll it how I am sharpening and it is leaving small nicks that I can’t see. I currently sharpen using a granite surface plate and wet/dry paper staring at 220 grit going up too 2000 grit.

Does anyone have any thoughts or advise on what to do?

I great appreciate your help in advance.

Steve


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#1 posted 05-15-2013 03:47 PM

What kind of wood are you working with? Sometimes on softer woods you can actually leave a indentation from trapping shavings under the sole of the plane. If its leaving a slightly raised area you might have a nick but sounds like you’ve mostly ruled that out.

Did you lap the sole of the plane?

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#2 posted 05-15-2013 03:50 PM

Happen to have any pictures of relevance? That would probably be helpful too :-)

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#3 posted 05-15-2013 03:54 PM

did you flatten and polish the back? It will happen if there is imperfections in the back of the iron.

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#4 posted 05-15-2013 03:55 PM

lines that show up throughout the whole width of the path the plane went

I’m taking this to mean that the lines are perpendicular to the path of the plane. If that is correct then it sounds like chatter.

If the lines are parallel to the path of the plane then stef is on the right track.

+1 to Mos, pics would be very helpful.

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#5 posted 05-15-2013 03:57 PM

Raise the blade up so that it does not tuch the wood and try again on a flat unmarked board. If the marks are still there you need to rework the sole of your plane.

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#6 posted 05-15-2013 03:57 PM

I was planning Cherry and also soft maple. I will take picture in a bit to and post them for reference. With regards to the question about sole lapping, I did lap the sole starting out with 80 grit and went up too 220.

the whole reason I am started this was i keep hearing people talk about glass like finish and for the most part it is leaving a glass like finish but there are streaks of dull areas the track with the path of the iron. I really don’t know what to expect or to look for.

I just know that I enjoy using a hand plane and I hate sanding and I was hoping to keep sanding to a minimum.

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#7 posted 05-15-2013 04:12 PM

Jay T,
the lines are parallel to the path of the plane. It isn’t chatter. The shaving is also a full width shaving the whold length of my board. When I was playing around with it on the edge of the board there were times where their was a split in the shaving.

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#8 posted 05-15-2013 05:55 PM

Here is a picture of the face of the board I was using to just test out the plane. You can see the tracks on the right side near the edge. When I run my finger nail over the blade edge I don’t feel anything snagging my nail. I also don’t feel anything on the plane sole that would do this either. I retracted the blade as mentioned above and it didn’t leave tracks.

I am wondering if it is the way I am honing the blade that is causing this. I go side to side on one grit than I move up once I remove all scratches from the previous grit than switch to in and out on the next grit til I remove the side to side. I try to end up on side to side on the 2000 grit wet/dry paper.

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#9 posted 05-15-2013 05:57 PM

hold your iron up to the light like you did the piece of wood with the back of the iron toward you and snap a picture.

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#10 posted 05-15-2013 06:59 PM

Here are pics of the plane iron. It is really hard to get a good pic of it. I just went and resharpened the blade and it has improved but it still leaves really small lines almost like streaks. When I rub my nail across the board it doesn’t snag or anything. My fear is that if I got to finish with a board like this it will show up after the finish is applied.

I love this site, since everyone is so willing to help no matter how goofy a question is.

Thanks

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#11 posted 05-15-2013 07:08 PM

Sure looks like a cut that’d result from an iron that’s pitted on the backside. But it’s clearly polished and not pitted.. Does material collect under the leading edge of the chipbreaker when you plane? How close to the cutting edge are you putting said breaker?

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#12 posted 05-15-2013 07:13 PM

When it comes to handplanes, there’s a crowd here that will do pretty much anything to help someone out with one :-)

The iron does look to me, like Smitty said, to be pretty well polished on the back. As long as it’s also completely flat, that doesn’t seem likely to be the culprit.

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#13 posted 05-15-2013 07:17 PM

How many bevels do you have on the iron? The second pic looks like there is a primary bevel, secondary bevel and then a very small tertiary bevel.

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#14 posted 05-15-2013 07:26 PM

Nothing is collecting under the chip breaker. The breaker is seated pretty good over the iron . Will lines that small show up in finish?

With regards to bevels you are correct. 25 primary, 30 secondary, 32 ish tertiary bevel. I also did the ruler trick on the back side.

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#15 posted 05-15-2013 07:39 PM

I’ll tell you Steve, from what the pics show and you are doing, the iron should be good.

220 grit is definitely far enough to take the sole of the plane for flatness, but I’m wondering if there is still a small nick somewhere on the sole that is causing the tracks. Maybe one of the edges?

Edit: Probably obvious, but did you ease off the corners between where the sole and sides meet just a bit after flattening? A sharp edge there might mark up the wood.

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