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Forum topic by daleye posted 05-15-2013 09:46 AM 495 views 0 times favorited 1 reply Add to Favorites Watch
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05-15-2013 09:46 AM

I am trying to stain some maple to match a bathroom vanity we just purchased. I have the color right (I think) but I cannot get the maple dark enough.

As I’ve had issues with blotching in the past I elected to follow:

http://lumberjocks.com/pjones46/blog/22172

Doing a DIY batch rather than grabbing the CN Blotch Control as I can’t justify having that much on hand for that price (Don’t do a ton of wood work).

Blotch control is doing a great job.. used it on another frame project and had great results, but I’m wondering if it is preventing the darker color I’m trying to achieve?

Finishing Process:

ROS 120 grit
ROS 150 grit (Also tried 2nd sand at 120 grit)
DIY Blotch control 2 coats
ROS 150 grit very lightly to remove the raised grain (2nd sand at 120 grit also sanded here at 120)
1 coat of a mixture of GF Brown Mahogany WB Stain + GF Merlot WB Dye

It seemed I could only let the WB mixture sit for about 3 minutes max before it started to completely dry and require reapplication to wipe off easily.

Another oddity? Sanding at 120 vs 150 vs 220 made no difference in stain penetration? This leads me to believe the DIY Blotch control is preventing the stain from penetrating well. Perhaps I should eliminate it completely?

What are my options/which of these seems the best:

1.) Apply several coats of the stain/dye mixture to get darkness leaving each on for 1-2 minutes.
2.) Mix some water into the mixture to increase the open time
3.) Mix GF extender into the mixture
4.) Eliminate Blotch control completely
5.) Skip the DIY mix and use the GF Wood conditioner as is

I’m obviously fairly new and have been doing research to make the wife happy and mitigate stain stripping and refinishing. Any pointers would be very helpful.


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#1 posted 05-15-2013 12:33 PM

you have too much glue , and you have sealed the wood too much, any prestain will seal the wood, to some degree, the issue is getting the mixture correct, whille we use a PVA glue that we have made , it is the binder, the various acrylics are the dominate resins .

You dont want to let a water base dye or stain sit very long as it dries quite fast as you have seen, wipe a area and immediately wipe it off, if its too light, let it dry and reapply

I am surprised that you did not get more issues due to the sanding of the prestain, sanding with 150 then 120 I dont understand , because your going with a fine grit then a course, ?? WE typically use a 320 light scuff sand after the prestain, never anything this agressive.
I would simply try doing several coats of the colorants and see if you can get to the color you want,

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