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Forum topic by Bullet posted 05-08-2013 01:53 PM 1660 views 0 times favorited 36 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Bullet

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05-08-2013 01:53 PM

OK Guys,
Another entry into the “which table saw to buy” over-beaten topic.

I’ve researched for… way too long. Need to be under $1000.

I had settled on the Griz 0715. Reviews are mixed but generally positive. I like the look and features for the price. But now on CL I found a probably 10 yr old 1023S (right tilt) in excellent shape for $550 (including a few accessories, rolling base, extra rail) and I’m torn. The right tilt scares me a little but I won’t be tinting often, so I can get around that. There doesn’t seem to be a blade gurad (and no riving knife), which scares me more, but I’m sure I can find one from Grizzly.

So WWLJD?

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#1 posted 05-08-2013 02:11 PM

The 1023 is a lot more saw and that is a good price. For a riving knife, I believe you could get a BORK that fits. Right tilt may not be optimal, but is a personal decision—for some people it is a deal breaker, for others a non-issue and a few actually prefer it (why, I have no clue).

It comes down to whether you want the lesser capability new hybrid saw with the security of a warranty and all new safety features or an older, more solid and powerful right tilt cabinet saw that you may need to add a few safety pieces and no warranty. Pros and cons both ways—of course a lot depends on your usage, as well.

WWLJD? I can’t speak for others, but this LJ would go for the 1023. It should handle anything you can throw at it and is just a much more substantial piece of machinery. There would probably never be a reason to upgrade.

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#2 posted 05-08-2013 02:13 PM

It’s my personal opinion that unless you can afford the Sawstop cabinet saw, you’re better off with the 1023, than a hybrid. I went thru the same exact thought process when I got my 0690 also used for $550. With the money you are saving you can purchase all the secondary safety equipment (after market riving knife and one way rollers, over head dust guard ect) and have a much more capable saw.

I’m not sure how much of a difference right tilt vs left tilt make tbh. I’m sure someone will chime in.

I’ve had two kick backs on mine, both due to ignorance and overconfidence, I knew to keep my hands from the blade, but didn’t understand what I was doing wrong at the time. My old bench top just bound up when I made mistakes, a cabinet saw is a different beast entirely.

I’ve adjusted where I stand, use a ZCI and now have a splitter. I feel it’s the best I can do till I get an aftermarket riving knife.

-- Brian

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#3 posted 05-08-2013 02:19 PM

Also you can use some of that spare money to get a new blade and make your crosscut sled, an outfeed table ect ect. All stuff you would want to do anyway.

-- Brian

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Bullet

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#4 posted 05-08-2013 02:19 PM

I do want my purchase to be my “life partner” – No offense to my bench top Craftsman – or SWMBO – but I don’t ever want to have to go through the agony of choice again. This is worse than dating.

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#5 posted 05-08-2013 02:44 PM

Bullet,
I have a new Grizzly 1023RL (3HP) that I feel is a very good saw, and of course it has all the latest features. My son has a new Grizzly 0715P (2HP) and he feels the same way about it. If the saw helps you make a living: i.e. cabinet shop or something similar you may need a full 3HP cabinet saw. Other than that, I believe it’s more about the fun of owning and using a cabinet saw than it is about the necessity of having one to turn out good projects. As you know, woodworking is about more than the tablesaw.
You should think long and hard about buying a saw without all the safety features, unless you are prepared to add them (sooner rather than later). The 0715P will do a good job, 2HP will cut about anything you will need to cut, it will be new, and have all the latest features.
If you really want a full cabinet, 3HP, left tilt saw with guard, than give it a little more time. You should be able to find one if you’re patient. Edit: Bullet, you’re only a couple of hours from Muncy, drive over there, look at the Grizzly’s side-by-side, and talk to the reps.

-- Jim from Doniphan

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Bullet

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#6 posted 05-08-2013 05:17 PM

I was thinking about hitting the tent sale on May 18 – but my problem is transporting a 500 lb saw. The cost of renting a truck is more than the shipping. It’s tough to justify the trek out there. I know it’s only a couple hours, but these days time is more valuable than money. I can’t take a day to just look, even for a $1000 purchase. It’s also tough to explain the need to “just look” to my wife…

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#7 posted 05-08-2013 06:22 PM

Bullet,
If you can’t make your wife understand why it would be a good idea to look the saw over in person so you can make the correct decision, then you may need help or advice from someone other than woodworkers. Just kidding, I’ve been married more than 50 years and I understand. How about this, can you tell her it’s a mother’s day present?
Bullet, the way I got my new saw was I went to Springfield to look at a used Delta Unisaw, I didn’t like the looks of it and on the way home I had to pass the Grizzly store, called my wife, explained why I didn’t get the Delta, and she suggested that I stop at Grizzly (I was already in the parking lot). Now she tells everyone that she had to talk me into buying a new saw. Like I said, I’ve been married more than 50 years.

-- Jim from Doniphan

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#8 posted 05-08-2013 06:25 PM

Buy the 1023RL and then invest in a grrr-ipper. The Grripper will take many of your fears away.

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#9 posted 05-08-2013 06:28 PM

Jim – You are the master. I bow to you. 15 years of loving bliss here – in another 35 I may be able to pull of something like that! I’m not sure I can afford the trip to Muncy on the $5 a week allowance I get.

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#10 posted 05-09-2013 12:06 AM

The G1023S should have the Shop Fox Classic fence. It’s substantially more saw than the G0715P….I wouldn’t let the right tilt/left tilt issue stop me from getting a great deal on a great saw. As you said, most of us don’t tilt the saw too often, and you can still move the saw to the left side of the blade and have the blade tilting away from the fence. I’d think you’d regret not getting the G1023S much more than not getting left tilt on a lesser saw. (no offense to G0715P owners, but it’s simply not in the same class of saw). If you’ve got 220v, or can get it easily, and the saw checks out, it’s a no brainer IMO.

You’ve probably seen me post this before, but it makes a strong point:

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#11 posted 05-09-2013 12:56 AM

What Knotscott said…

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#12 posted 05-09-2013 01:10 AM

+1 more for the 1023.
A riving knife is a great safety feature, but at the price of the 715, it’s not worth it.

The first time you have to adjust cabinet mounted trunions vs table mounted ones, you’ll thank yourself you went for the cabinet saw.

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#13 posted 05-09-2013 01:11 AM

and you can still move the saw (assume you meant fence, here) to the left side of the blade and have the blade tilting away from the fence.

i’m assuming this refers primarily to relatively narrow rips as most fence systems do not have a lot of capacity to the left of the blade. or does this assume the fence system is shifted entirely to the left of the blade? not criticizing, just wondering.

while i agree that 3hp cabinet saws are beefier than hybrid and contractor saws, do the OP’s intended WW projects require that kind of performance. faced with a similar decision, i opted to sell the RT unisaw i refurbished and keep my LT 10” CI contractor saws for reasons of mobility and left tilt blades. just my $.02.

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#14 posted 05-09-2013 09:53 AM

”and you can still move the saw (assume you meant fence, here) to the left side of the blade and have the blade tilting away from the fence.”

Holy typos Batman! Yep, move the fence to the left of the blade. Thanks Toolie!

p.s. A BORK riving knife can be added to the 1023 fairly easily at a reasonable price….

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#15 posted 05-09-2013 01:09 PM

Thanks guys, for your help and expertise. I’m going to go take a look at the saw this weekend. It’s a 2003 model, bought new and used for a couple years. Then it sat unused in a basement for seven years (guy has a unisaw as well). I understand looking at rust and corosion – what else should I be looking at and what should scare me away?

Here are a couple pics of the saw.


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