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Forum topic by patcollins posted 05-04-2013 01:53 PM 1753 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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05-04-2013 01:53 PM

About 6 weeks ago I got an envelope in the mail that had a DVD in it from the woodworkers guild of america, I get so much junk mail now that I am a subscriber to wood magazine I just shred most of it without reading it. I gave the DVD to someone at work that is mildly interested in woodworking. A couple days ago I got a letter from woodworkers guild of america asking me to either return the DVD or to pay for it. Now first off you sent me this dvd unsolicited, I never asked for it, it was junk mail as far as I am concerned.

Maybe I should write a poem on a piece of paper and demand you either send it back to me or pay me for it, I am betting that you would do neither.

I hate this type of business practice and wish it were illegal. Even if I was interested before I will never give you a dime because of this slimy tactic, GFO WWGoA.

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#1 posted 05-04-2013 02:37 PM

Apparently, this is a pretty regular occurrence. You might want to check this previous posting about this same topic. You will find lots of agreement with your position.

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#2 posted 05-04-2013 03:21 PM

I enjoyed reading the comments about sending them bricks and such.

I had the idea to press a DVD to look exactly like it and burn a porno on it and they send it to someone else…..

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#3 posted 05-04-2013 06:24 PM

That would be funny—maybe even better than bricks!

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#4 posted 05-04-2013 07:36 PM

That kind of dubious business practice is now illegal in Canada as far as I know but a few years ago a big cable /internet company did that to thousands of customers by giving them free extra channels but neglected to mention that it was only for a 6 months period and after that it was up to the customers to either cancel the free channels or pay $3 for each without even asking if their customers would agree to this so called deal or not.
Needless to say the cable company was fined a hefty amount and since then it has become illegal .
I googled negative billing in USA and it seems to me that what WGA did is also illegal and the DVD is considered a gift!
HEre’s a cut and paste of what I found:

As of 2006, in 15 of the United States of America, unsolicited goods are deemed to be gifts with no obligation to pay for or return them. Contentious cases of negative option billing often center on unwitting solicitation lost in fine print and the difficultly of reversing a solicitation once made. An example is the class-action lawsuit against Scholastic Corporation by consumers who felt “harassed, deceived, intimidated, and threatened” when they tried to cancel membership.[4]

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#5 posted 05-04-2013 08:10 PM

I have received unsolicited items in the mail, then telling me they want payment. I write back and tell them to go piss up a rope – haven’t heard anything since.

-- When I was a kid I wanted to be older . . . . . this CRAP is not what I expected ! RIP 09/08/2018

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#6 posted 05-04-2013 10:08 PM

To my knowledge(I might be wrong) unsolicited items like this are not required to be returned or paid for in all 50 states. I think the real reasoning behind these mailings would be if someone was dumb enough to give them (the mailer) a credit card number to pay for it.

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#7 posted 05-05-2013 01:21 AM

I was getting that series of DVDs. After a half dozen, I started getting DVDs that showed me things like how to make fire starters out of egg cartons. (I did like the fact that the host had hands that looked like they did woodworking. Like a black fingernail that looked like he hit it with a hammer.) I called to cancel and they said that they could send me the DVDs that doesn’t have the projects. I find so much more on the Internet. It does take a while to look. The DVDs are like the magazines. Out of the whole thing, there might be something that would pique ones interest.

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#8 posted 05-05-2013 01:46 AM

Jimbo4- That’s one of my favorite expressions. Made me smile tonight.

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#9 posted 05-05-2013 02:14 AM

If I’m not mistaken, in the U.S.A anything that comes in the mail that is unsolicited you are in no way responsible…

I believe thats why they created the law because it was common practice for many so called buisnesses to send things out then demand payment or to threaten various things…

I wouldednt waste a moment on this except to make sure it wound up in the garbage.

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#10 posted 05-05-2013 02:59 AM

Send them a bill for your time spent reading or watching the material. I did like the idea of making a new pressed one with some porn, I would be inclined to send some “manual” on positions or such just to keep it interesting…. (laughing)

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#11 posted 05-07-2013 03:18 AM

Just “drag you feet” and they will go away! I would not waste a stamp on that outfit.

I don’t get stuff that I get billed for, but I often get ads and junk mail that just happens to have one of those prepaid -no postage required return envelopes. I take all the crap they sent me ( envelope too) plus as much other junk mail that I can fit in there and mail it back to them. It is a thick envelope- paid for by them. You know, I don’t remember getting any more for the past 6 months now!!

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#12 posted 05-10-2013 07:40 PM

Another thing I love to do: When you receive something with a self addressed envelope, i.e., credit card crap, write VOID across the information, and send it back to them using their first class postage stamp. That way, we help support our post office, by making the sender pay for their mail both ways. Snark.

-- When I was a kid I wanted to be older . . . . . this CRAP is not what I expected ! RIP 09/08/2018

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#13 posted 05-29-2013 05:15 PM

They just did it to me also, I reported them to the Better Business Bureau.

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#14 posted 05-29-2013 06:54 PM

RE Post #12. I do that too Jimbo but I also throw whatever garbage is handy into the envelope as well. Old receipts straws, fast food packaging &c. I pack the envelope as full as a I can before sending it back. I figure if they can send me their garbage I can send them mine.

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