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Jwysenski

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05-03-2013 10:03 AM

Hi, Im new to Lumberjocks and not sure this is in the right forum.

I am building an outdoor table from Eastern Red Cedar (its actually a type of Juniper, but we call it ERC around here) from a standing dead tree which I harvested last year and have been seasoning since. So, my supply of this stuff is exactly what I have and no more. I have been extremely careful with the design and joinery so far, as I dont have enough stock for mistakes. I glued up the mortice and tenon joints for the table top yesterday, and it came out very nice! But it wasn’t until this morning that I realized that I had the wrong bottle of glue, and used regular Titebond carpenters glue! #$%#!!!! And its from a pretty old gallon jug at that! Its a long stupid story of how I got this stuff mixed up with my bottle of Titebond III, so I wont go into that… But It wont happen again!

If any of you have experience with this wood, you know that it is extremely rot resistant; I built a smaller table from a fence post, most of which had been underground for 40+ years. Some of the sapwood had rotted away and thats it, still had that wonderful cedar smell and deep purple colors when first cut! Im building a table with the idea that it will be around long after I am, so it just wont do do have it come unglued at the end of the summer.

So, now that Ive had my little temper tantrum and calmed down, what do I do? Its defiantly not coming apart without destroying most of the wood (unless one of you knows some trick), and I don’t have enough to build another table top. Im toying with the idea of soaking oak dowels in epoxy (for rot resistance) and driving them through the joints from the underside of the table top about 7/8 of the way through.Might I be beter off using bronze screws? My joints were what I know to be good tight joints, but can I rely on a mechanical fastening to hod up over the years?

Any help or ideas are appreciated!
-Jim


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Nicky

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#1 posted 05-05-2013 05:07 PM

What flavor of Titebond did you use (I or II)?

In an outdoor application the Titebond I will fail. Titebond II should hold up.

Your idea for pinning the tenons with a dowel is a good idea and will provide mechanical stregnth. Is it possible to make dowels from the ceder?

White Oak would be good choice for plugs, as it will hold up well in an outdoor application.

Epoxy is a good choice for your plugs.

-- Nicky

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Jwysenski

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#2 posted 05-06-2013 07:00 PM

I used titebond I unfortunately.

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