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garbonsai

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04-29-2013 08:09 PM

Topic tags/keywords: resource question

I hesitate to post this, as I’m not sure how legitimate it is, but here goes…

The other day, I was hunting around for an issue of ShopNotes that has a simple plan for a jig used to cut splined miters. I knew I’d seen the issue, but I couldn’t remember if it was at the library (a great, free resource for various wood working magazines, at least in my area) or in a box of back-issues I’d ordered off of eBay, or in one of the recent issues I’ve received via subscription. So I started to Google.

I ended up downloading the ShopNotes index from their site, figured out what issue it was, then did a bit of sleuthing to figure out what the cover of that particular issue looked like (hoping to jog something loose in my memory). Instead, I came across this page at the Internet Archive.

Now, I love the Internet Archive for their sponsoring the Live Music Archive. And I’ve used their archives of various websites to facilitate a trip down memory lane. What I hadn’t expected to find there was scanned copies of newer magazines. I believe (and here, I’ll preface this by saying that I’m not a lawyer) this is a copyright violation, but I’m not certain. And, apparently, neither is ShopNotes. I emailed them questioning whether I could use this as a resource, and distribute it to others. Here’s their reply:

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“Thank you for writing us. I don’t know that we would have given permission for them to post our material. I did forward it to our controller to look at though. We appreciate you bringing this t our attention.”

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And, a few days later, in response to my query as to what they’d heard back:

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“Thank you for writing back. We don’t hear back from our controller if this an unauthorized site for sharing our material they will have it removed. I’m sorry I don’t have a better answer for you.”

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And nothing since.

Anyway, I just wanted to put this out there. Maybe the appropriate person or persons will see this, and either let me know that this is a legit source (unlikely, in my mind), or get it removed from Archive.org. Either way is fine by me—I’d prefer to pay for my magazines (or let the library do so), so as to keep the publishers in, you know, business.

-- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.


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NiteWalker

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#1 posted 04-29-2013 09:32 PM

Not likely a legit source, and definitely not the only place for those types of things.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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JSilverman

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#2 posted 04-29-2013 09:39 PM

I have a hard time believing that site does not violate copyright laws…. btw it has way more than Shopnotes, I also found Woodsmith, and Fine woodworking in about two seconds!

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Bernie

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#3 posted 04-30-2013 03:43 AM

I admire your courage to stand up for publishers and artist and writers in general. Copyright laws protect us all so we can have access to information and new ideas. The folks that give us these do it for a living and should be compensated for their effort.

-- Bernie: It never gets hot or cold in New Hampshire, just seasonal!

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garbonsai

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#4 posted 05-09-2013 03:28 PM

@JSilverman: Yes, as did I. I feel the same way, but I didn’t contact their publishers.

@Bernie: Agreed. I’m a little worried that the folks at ShopNotes are either turning a blind eye in the hopes of acquiring more subscribers (much as software companies sometimes did in the early days of the internet), or simply don’t have the time/resources to deal with the problem.

-- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

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derosa

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#5 posted 05-09-2013 05:30 PM

This is a really good question. This is a site that I know is well over a decade old and has survived other attempts to get rid of them passing other legal tests. Essentially they function like a library but even libraries have to buy the items that they allow others to browse. Considering I found popular mechanics and popular woodworking it looks like they’ve copied enough big name brands that if what they were doing wasn’t strictly legal they’d have been shut down by now.

-- --Rev. Russ in NY-- A posse ad esse

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