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Forum topic by Chris Speights posted 04-27-2013 04:25 PM 1613 views 0 times favorited 24 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Chris Speights

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04-27-2013 04:25 PM

So, my wife has finally given me the green light on buying a table saw. I currenlty have a small Ridgid, so pretty much anything will be a HUGE upgrade. She didn’t really “cap” the purchase, but at one point, I was looking at a $1,400 saw on Craigs List that she seemed okay with me buying. Now, with that said, I am thinking about spending less than that, then I can justify upgrades for the saw and maybe a nicer jointer than what I currently have.

Here is my question:

There is a Shop Fox W1677 for sale for $900 on Craigs List, now. I asked the guy if he would take $700. He said he would, if I would buy it this weekend. But, there is a Grizzly G0715P brand new for around $850. So, given these two choices, which is really the better one? I have no experience with any cabinet or hybrid saw. I have been reading reviews on both. They are both hit or miss. Some love them, some hate them with many in between. I am just at a loss for which one to get. The W1677 is 3 hp, 220 V. The Grizzly is 2 HP 110/220V. I do not currently have 220V in my garage/shop, so that is an additional cost I would have to incur…

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Chris


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redSLED

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#1 posted 04-27-2013 04:27 PM

Grizzly saws seem to have quite a following among LJ’s and for good reasons.

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bbasiaga

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#2 posted 04-27-2013 05:40 PM

Grizz and Shopfox are owned by the same company. Their tools come out of the same factory and are built from the same designs. Shopfox is the retail brand and typically has some slightly different features than the otherwise identical Grizzly model. So maybe you can figure out which Grizz model is the equivalent and see if the Shopfox locally would have the feature set you want.

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TheWoodenOyster

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#3 posted 04-27-2013 05:54 PM

I got a Unisaw off of CL about 3 months ago for around $900. 220V, 3HP. Depending on the type of work you do, the 3 HP can come in real handy. Cutting through 8/4 Ash on a 1.5 HP or 2 HP saw is different than on a 3HP saw. I have seen ash bring a 1.5 HP saw to a dead stop multiple times. The same ash goes through my unisaw at a very acceptable rate without binding or anything (and I don’t even have a good blade). I understand your 220V issues, as I had the same problem. I ended up wiring my dryer outlet to serve the saw. I took the advice of many other lumberjocks and bought the best saw I could get within my budget – “buy your last saw first”. At any rate, good luck. I bet the grizzly or shop fox would be a good option, just consider how big the logs are that you are going to push through it.

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#4 posted 04-27-2013 05:59 PM

I don’t know about the ShopFox, other than what has already been said, but the Grizzly 715-P is so similar in design to the Craftsman 21833 / Ridgid 4512 type saws I would look elsewhere. I don’t like that style of table mounted trunion assembly.
The shopFox has to be 220 because it’s 3hp. That is a big advantage in my book. There are just about no crap saws out there with real 220 volt 3hp motors.
There are other saws on the market around $1000 that would be worth consideration. Like General International or Steel City.
Right now there is a 3hp Unisaw inthe Nashville Craig’s List for $700. There are other options.

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#5 posted 04-27-2013 06:34 PM

The W1677 is in a different league than the G0715P. It’s essentially a white Grizzly G1023SL, and is an industrial cabinet saw vs a hybrid. It outweighs and out-muscles the G0715P by a good margin. $700 is a good price. They were in the range of $1250-$1400 new. If 220v is doable, the W1677 is a much beefier saw. If you can’t do 220v, the G0715P should be fine, just not in the same class of saw. FWIW, I’ve been happily running a W1677 since 2008…I’ve moved the rails 10” to the right for a 36” rip capacity, added a BORK riving knife, and a router table.

The pics below can make my point about the construction differences better than my written description.

Trunnions of a G0478 hybrid (similar enouigh to the G0715P’s trunnions to make the point…):

Trunnions of a W1677/G1023SL:

My W1677:

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cabmaker

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#6 posted 04-27-2013 08:18 PM

We’re it me I would go get the shop fox simply because you already made him a 700 dollar offer and he accepted ! But that is just me. But to zero in on what your really asking, is neither. You have a 1400.00 budget so why not use it and find you something more substantial if your in the used market ? JB

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toolie

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#7 posted 04-27-2013 10:24 PM

Get the shop fox. A 3 hp cabinet saw, presumably in good condition, for $700? A no brainer in my book. Use the other $700 to add 220v to the shop and augment the shop’s tool inventory.

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Chris Speights

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#8 posted 04-27-2013 10:39 PM

Thank you all for your responses. I have currently decided to pass on both, for now. The SF appeared to be in good shape, but didn’t have a fence, blade guard, etc, etc. So, figure if I am going to pay $700-800, I will just pay the additional $500 to get a new one. Thank you all very much for the quick responses, always can count on LJ to clear my head!

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#9 posted 04-27-2013 11:19 PM

That’s too bad. What happened to the fence? $900 is mighty expensive asking price for that saw without a fence and blade guard. I don’t blame you for passing. You could always change your offer to something that would bring your total outlay after adding a fence closer to a reasonable $700-$800 (which is about what the saw is worth IMO) ....like $500. Let us know what you end up doing.

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poospleasures

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#10 posted 04-27-2013 11:40 PM

If you are going to get a new saw make it a Shop Fox. I listened to Knotscott a little over a year ago and purchased the SF. I use it every day and cannot see a better saw in its price range. I did buy it from Amazon when they had a very good price on it, but now that I know the saw would pay more for one. Good Luck. PM if you have questions.

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#11 posted 04-28-2013 02:07 AM

There was a used 52” Powermatic 2000 with 5hp single phase motor on Craigslist here a few weeks ago. There are lots of home hobbyists with deep pockets selling well kept and generally lightly used (especially compared to commercially used stuff) at significant discounts.

The 715P is 2hp. Nearly everyone recommends 3hp/220v if you can afford it. At $1400 there should be some good ones available and a new 1023RL is that new including shipping.

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Chris Speights

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#12 posted 04-28-2013 02:25 AM

Thank you all.

Knot, the fence and blade gaurd were removed according to seller because “they are junk”. Apparently this is a cabinet shop selling their saws. The listing is here (though there’s not much information) http://houston.craigslist.org/tls/3761672862.html. Otherwise, it does look like a decent saw. I just figure if I have to put another $400+ into it to get it back to snuff, I could buy the 1023 as David is suggesting.

I will take a look at the new SFs Poos, I wouldn’t mind an SF. I am not adverse to anything, at this moment. I was just hoping to find a good “find” like the SF posted, but in all good working order. Then I would have a few hundred to upgrade something else in the shop, as well. If I have to spend more, not opposed to it. Just trying to get more bang for the buck.

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wbrisett

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#13 posted 04-28-2013 04:52 PM

Chris: I took off my blade guard long ago off my unisaw, I use a very inexpensive splitter system and it seems to work great. I also ditched my fence a bit over a year ago and went with the Incra system. I love the easy of that system. If you add putting those items on the Shop Fox, you’ll be getting a quality saw at a price that would be hard to beat. Something to think about.

Otherwise you might want to consider something like the Grizzly G0691, which would give you pretty much the same things. at around $1400.

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#14 posted 04-28-2013 10:47 PM

Any reason you did not make an offer on the unisaw. It probably was the better of the two saws listed on the CL add you show. The fence that is on the unisaw may not be the newest shiniest thing going but it sure does lock down accurate and strong and is fairly nice to use. I try not to go up to 800 on an older saw as they have priced the unisaw, but seems like they are negotiable and offering 500.00 might be an option.

I am very much a fan of buying used and getting the best or strongest machine I can afford. Auctions are usually a great place. There are a lot of online auctions as well.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Chris Speights

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#15 posted 04-30-2013 02:40 AM

The only reason I didn’t move on the Unisaw was that it was a right tilt. I haven’t been woodworking too long and have already got a finger in the table saw and a finger in the jointer…figured I best not change anything or make anything less safe…haha.

But, I got a solution together, finally. I decided not to convert to 220v. Primarily, the cost. In conjunction with a cabinet saw and any upgrades to the saw I would have to do (like the SF), I think I would end up spending money I probably shouldn’t, considering we just bought a new house. In addition, we have a 3 car detached garage and I am going to invest in insulating it, putting plywood up and putting a wall between the 2-car and 1-car bays. I am getting the 2-car side. But, by the time all of this is done, I figured I would be way over budget.

So, the solution, I bough a second hand Jet JPS-10TS. I felt like I got a great deal at $650. The saw is only a few years old and looks wonderful! The guy was moving pretty soon and just needed to be rid of it. So, definitely not the work horse I was aiming for in a cabinet saw, but a significant upgrade over the Ridgid saw I had.

Thank you all so much for your input and advice. It gave me a lot to think about and brought plenty to light that I hadn’t even considered.

Regards,

Chris

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