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Forum topic by deezldub posted 04-23-2013 07:21 AM 1967 views 0 times favorited 28 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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deezldub

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04-23-2013 07:21 AM

Topic tags/keywords: unisaw grizzly 691 1023

SO Ive been a long time lurker, and finally a first time poster.

I’ve started woodworking a few years ago, house projects, and many sets of speakers as my main projects.
I’m finally piecing together a workshop, and its time to upgrade from a Rigid TS2410 to a real table saw.

I have found a local Unisaw, about 15-20 years old, 52” beisemeyer fence, and mobile base, 220V 1PH motor.

The seller wants $1300 and seems solid in his pricing, hasnt moved in a month.

It is in really decent shape, surface rust on the cast iron, but an easy cleanup, no guard or riving knife, but otherwise complete.

I really would love a unisaw, but for $1300 plus guard and riving knife (net 1500 or so after adding the missing parts plus an unwarranted saw) the 691 or 1023 gets me new and well new is new.

I live in PA, so would drive to the Muncy Grizzly so shipping is saved, and the 691 with mobile bases post coupon and current sale makes it 1350 plus tax, the 1023rlx would be 1470 plus tax.

For $1000 the unisaw would be mine already, but the price difference to new negates much of my value of the unisaw name.

Heavily leaning toward the grizzly, and that opens up the 691 vs 1023 debate, I really like the dust control and drive improvements of the 1023, but I will split that hair next. I like the larger left of blade room on the 691 but more modern design of the 1023… This is too darn hard…

Am I wrong for passing on the unisaw for $1300?

Thanks in advance for any and all guidance.

Steve

-- Steve


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toolie

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#1 posted 04-23-2013 12:19 PM

Am I wrong for passing on the unisaw for $1300?

no, you’re not wrong. i got a ‘72 “old arn” unisaw for $40 in gas money, rehabbed it and then sold it. right tilt isn’t for me (your 2410 is a left tilt, and right tilt might not be for you, either) and i found that a carbide tipped blade, spinning with the right blade at 3450 rpm, will cut almost anything in a hobbyist’s workshop. most hobbyists don’t run their saws like commercial enterprises do, and that’s where saws like the unisaw excel. so i kept my two emerson built 10” contractor saws.

either of the grizzlys you’ve noted are good saws, and both come with riving knives and a guaranty. being local to the grizzly location makes it a no brainer in my book. i come down on the 0691 side of the debate as it is a swing arm design just like the older unisaws. my saw’s motions were excellent, and i’d stick with that design if i were in the market for a cabinet saw.

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HorizontalMike

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#2 posted 04-23-2013 12:45 PM

I have had my G0690 for ~3yr and love it. I would seriously think about “IF” you actually need that longer fence of the G0691. If you are ripping sheet goods all of the time, then maybe, if not then the G0690 will more than fill the bill. PLUS, you can move the 690 fence to the right and gain an additional ~7in. of rail on the right, for around a total of ~36in.

FWIW, I added the cast iron router extension to mine:

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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nwbusa

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#3 posted 04-23-2013 01:04 PM

Given your choices I would go with the new, left tilt saw with riving knife. 1023 or 691, take your pick. Good luck.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#4 posted 04-23-2013 01:26 PM

I like the idea of the Unisaw (I have one myself) but I think the guy is high in his price. I have seen decent, complete Unisaws in the SE PA area for under $1000. For the money, I would go with one of the Grizzly’s or keep watching for a Unisaw at a better price.

Bill

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Cosmicsniper

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#5 posted 04-23-2013 01:36 PM

I have probably the same Unisaw vintage. I paid $500 in DFW about 4 years ago. Mine is no doubt less equipped than the one he is likely selling, and that one is probably in better condition, but that’s on the high end price range. I would think in the $900 to $1100 range might be more appropriate if its complete. Even then, I’d probably get the Grizzly.

The older cab saws make a lot of sense if you can get them cheap, but when they are the price of something else NEW, you kinda have to go with the new one, if only for the riving knife and the warrantee.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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HorizontalMike

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#6 posted 04-23-2013 02:30 PM

Jay: ”...The older cab saws make a lot of sense if you can get them cheap, but when they are the price of something else NEW, you kinda have to go with the new one, if only for the riving knife and the warrantee….”

+10 on the designed for and built-in riving knife. As for the warranty, that is pretty much there to make sure you get the saw up and running without mechanical defects and such. Don’t expect buyer’s remorse returns to be offered/allowed. You shouldn’t really need it, but Grizzly CS is great about trying to find mutually agreed upon remedies if issues pop up.

Do be aware that the extended right wings on both the G0690-691 are sheet metal and rather flimsy. Strongly suggest building/adding your own out of MDF, or the like. FWIW, I didn’t even take mine out of the box after looking at it. I just used the T10222 Router Extension Table for Table Saw

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Cosmicsniper

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#7 posted 04-23-2013 02:44 PM

Good point about the warranty, Mike. I kinda spelled that wrong, didn’t I?

And I agree with you about the warranties. Once you know they are running, these things are pretty bullet-proof.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#8 posted 04-23-2013 02:53 PM

I bought a new 1023RL two days after Christmas and as far as I’m concerned it’s a great saw. I’m happy with it in every way. Since then I have refurbished two Unisaws just as a change of pace project from woodworking. Sold one of them for $900. And it was Completely redone, can’t belive the one you’re looking at would be worth more. (take a look at what I sold for $900) http://lumberjocks.com/topics/48835. I have the other one listed for $700 (3 phase) they are both excellent saws and will last a life time. However, I would much rather have my new 1023RL with the left tilt and riving knife. My advice, go for the 0691 or 1023RLX.

-- Jim from Doniphan

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#9 posted 04-23-2013 06:14 PM

The price for the uni seems high. I paid $800 for one that sounds identical to the one you’re looking at, except about 5 years newer. It came with a bunch of accessories too.

I really wish my saw had a riving knife so if I were you I’d offer the guy $1000 and buy the grizzly if he declines.

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#10 posted 04-23-2013 06:44 PM

This is way too much money for a Unisaw that old. I paid $500.00 for my Unisaw and it is 3HP

-- Bert

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#11 posted 04-23-2013 11:18 PM

For $1300 I’d want new. (Where’s the OP? ...don’t be a lurk for your own thread! ;-))

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#12 posted 04-24-2013 01:27 AM

I would go with the new saw for that price or keep looking for a uni for less…

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#13 posted 04-24-2013 01:35 AM

Unisaws and all other American pattern cabinet saws are plunging
in value as riving knives become standard.

I love vintage equipment but mostly because some of it is
very well made and can be got very cheap. That Unisaw is
not even close to a good deal.

In my area (Los Angeles) I can browse Craigslist and find
sellers trying to unload 10” Powermatic cabinet saws at
anywhere from $400 to $2500. Some of the lower priced
ones don’t sell too fast, either (usually 3 phase).

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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Scomel Basses

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#14 posted 04-24-2013 02:26 AM

I would absolutley get either of the Grizzly’s over that Unisaw. I have the 1023RLW and it’s a great saw. The 691 would be fine as well.

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#15 posted 04-24-2013 02:32 AM

deezldub....since your within driving distance….If you can wait for the tent event, you could get a really good deal
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