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Forum topic by Hookedin posted 04-18-2013 06:17 AM 1429 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Hookedin

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04-18-2013 06:17 AM

Well, I have convinced SWMBO to give me a corner in the basement to set up a small shop, and I have started looking for a good starter TS. I would like some opinions on this Craigslist saw.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/3708530104.html

Craftsman model # 113.298761
Upgraded Delta 36T30 fence
“Pals” and linked belt installed
A couple more addons, including 4 * 10” blades and a dado set.
Listed at $430

I think the saw itself probably should sell for 200-250, but the saw looks to be in good condition (to an untrained eye) and it seems the seller took care of it and put the right upgrades into it. Do the upgrades and included items make this saw worth $400? I am starting from scratch as far as TS’s go, so starting out with a good (are they good?) assortment of blades and such would help me out.

Also, what should I look for when examining a saw? i.e. checking how level the table is, etc.


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knotscott

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#1 posted 04-18-2013 09:47 AM

$400 is steep, and those blades are all wall decorations IMO (junk). The saw looks great, the fence looks great, and it sounds like it was well cared for, which are all worth a premium, but I don’t think it’s worth $400. There’s still no riving knife and no warranty. Maybe $300-$350 if it checks out as working beautifully. Check underneath for any obvious cracks or damage to the underpinnings. Any mechanisms that move can be lubricated, so I don’t worry too much about that unless there’s binding or gauling that’s causing stiffness in a movement. Table flatness is nice, but it usually takes a sizable deviation from flatness to effect cuts. With the saw unplugged, rotate the blade and listen for obvious grinding noise (likely bearings, which can be replaced), run the saw and see if it sounds and runs smoothly with low vibration. With good blade selection, and good alignment, that can be a nice saw.

Here's one in your area that’s still high, but is better, and also has a decent fence (I’d offer ~ $225)

Here's one that’s similar that needs a fence upgrade and a wing, but it’s $89.

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#2 posted 04-18-2013 02:06 PM

First, listen to everything knotscott says, he knows the most. Of those saws, the first one ($430) is Craftsman 113 that would probably sell around $175 with a lesser fence. That Delta T2 fence is probably worth at least $125 to you used ($200 new). So I’d say $300 if everything is working well, which it probably does because it looks well cared for. The $89 one probably has the same guts at the $430 one, but to make it equivalent you’d have to add: webbed cast iron wings ~$120 used, Delta T2 ~$200 new (rarely find used), Zero Clearance Insert, and a link belt ~$30… plus a good bit of clean up work. Given that its your first saw, you are better off trying to get the saw that already is cleaned up and in good shape. Your next saw can be your project saw. So I vote for trying to get that first saw for $300-$325. My second choice for you would be the first one Knotscott listed, but for $200-$225 as he said.

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#3 posted 04-18-2013 02:40 PM

An advantage to doing one yourself is you get to know and understand how the parts of the saw work. But it would be next to impossible to install the fence without a drill press. I had to drill and countersink a number of hole in the steel bracket as well as drilling 3 hole (free hand) in the cast top. If you have a friend or access to a drill press I would consider a restoration. There are lots of threads here on the process and YouTube hasw a number of helpful videos. And it takes time.

Knottscott is right about the blades. And for a 10” you can use a regular dado. I ruined the bearings on a saw with a wobble dado. Seeing that wobble dado I would look very closly at that shaft. The saw with stock fence should be +/- $150. I used a cog v belt from NAPA that performed as well as a link belt i had around. $350 for that saw would be the most I would pay. My 2 cents.

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#4 posted 04-18-2013 02:46 PM

good advice so far. all i’ll add is that, if a HD can be found that will honor harbor freight’s “20 (now sometimes 25)% off any single item” coupon, some buyers have gotten a ridgid 4512 for as little as $375. provided the unit purchased doesn’t have the blade elevation changing alignment issue, the saw offers a lot of value (even at lit’s list price of $500). 1.5hp dual voltage TEFC motor, integrated mobile base, riving knife, 30” rip capacity, 90 day satisfaction guaranty, 3 year new tool guaranty and LSA eligibility (owner registration required. free parts and labor on repairs for life). just something else to consider, given the price of the CL saw noted by the OP.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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Hookedin

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#5 posted 04-18-2013 06:44 PM

Thanks everyone for the advice so far. I’m going to go by and see the saw this afternoon, and if everything checks out offer $320 and see what comes of it. Craftsman’s comments fall right in line with my thoughts. I would really like to get a machine that works, learn from that, and if / when it come time to upgrade, potentially look at more of a fixer- upper. I haven’t even seen the Rigid saw locally, so finding a store that takes HF coupons, carries the saw, and has a unit without the alignment issues seems unlikely.

I have been following lumber jocks for a while, and remain impressed by the quality of discussion that occurs on these boards. As I begin my journey into woodworking, I take comfort that great advice and such a huge knowledge base is only a couple of clicks away.

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toolie

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#6 posted 04-18-2013 09:44 PM

and if everything checks out

bevel the blade to 45 degrees as part of the inspection. i remember seeing somewhere that PALS, on some saws, can interfere with beveling operations.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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Hookedin

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#7 posted 04-19-2013 07:50 PM

We couldn’t reach a price agreement, but another saw came up that looks interesting.
It is a craftsman 113.299410 with a Craftsman XR-2424 fence.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/tls/3752094236.html
$275

Thoughts? It seems like other lumber jocks have had favorable experiences with the XR-2424. To me, and from what others have said about the first saw I was looking at, $250 seems just about right. Is there much of a difference between the 113 models?

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Craftsman70

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#8 posted 04-19-2013 08:28 PM

The last one is about the same as the first one with the exception of missing the original legs and the fence is not a delta T2, but still pretty good. I would think the second one is worth ~$200.

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#9 posted 04-19-2013 08:35 PM

That’s more reasonable. Worth a look.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#10 posted 04-19-2013 08:52 PM

i have the same fence on my ridgid 2412. it’s every bit as accurate, and holds it’s settings every bit as well, as the t2 i have on a 113 series c-man. agree that $200 is a fair, if not gloatable, price. it’s appears to be missing it’s splitter/blade guard assembly (good negotiating point). <$60 from m&d mower, provided the spreader support bracket is still there:

http://www.m-and-d.com/pdfs/ridgid/TS36120.pdf

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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